World Map

I want to ask Dave is he planning to update World Map (borders, income or flags)?

Few years ago i asked old admins, and they said they won't, because they added map editor so we could make our own maps, but they still updated the map, like they replaced flag of Libya.

Now (after few more years), the world changed, especially economies (income), like China, Turkey, for the better, and Greece, Italy, Spain for example, for the worse. So are you planning to nerf their income for example, and buff Chinese/Turkish income?

Oh and World population, especially Southern Hemisphere, they grew alot, some of them for 30% over the last 9 years.

Skrivet av Skanderbeg, 01.08.2019 at 14:29

I want to ask Dave is he planning to update World Map (borders, income or flags)?

Few years ago i asked old admins, and they said they won't, because they added map editor so we could make our own maps, but they still updated the map, like they replaced flag of Libya.

Now (after few more years), the world changed, especially economies (income), like China, Turkey, for the better, and Greece, Italy, Spain for example, for the worse. So are you planning to nerf their income for example, and buff Chinese/Turkish income?

and kill balance

I don't think Ivan and Amok created World Map to be balanced, but to represent real world as first map in this game.

King Of The Hill is balanced.

I have suggested this before and no one cared. I am convinced people don't like change.

I think every country should have the same income so that way the map is fully balanced, the reinforcements can be different but income should be equal everywhere, it's only fair for African players, etc..

Skrivet av PleaseMe, 01.08.2019 at 14:39

I have suggested this before and no one cared. I am convinced people don't like change.

Unfortunately, yes. It's all the high levels and competitive players that hate change. Although you are a high level, so it's supprising to see.

Dave should have a "You'll get what your given" attitude to the changes of the game. Which I'm sure he has taken since he has changed premium.

Give sevastopol to Russia: South

Give pristina to kosovo.

ez and both ukr and serb get nerfed. win win.

Skrivet av 4nic, 01.08.2019 at 17:15

Give sevastopol to Russia: South

Give pristina to kosovo.

ez and both ukr and serb get nerfed. win win.

Yeah, fuck it. I was always against changing the main map. But it really actually does need a change.

Skrivet av DeepFriedUnicorn, 02.08.2019 at 18:21

Skrivet av 4nic, 01.08.2019 at 17:15

Give sevastopol to Russia: South

Give pristina to kosovo.

ez and both ukr and serb get nerfed. win win.

Yeah, fuck it. I was always against changing the main map. But it really actually does need a change.

It needs a change, and some locations like USA great lakes arent even port cities, which makes no sense, a few tweaks to country economies as well, we shouldnt tinker just with the strats, the map needs a bit of work too...

Skrivet av Skanderbeg, 01.08.2019 at 14:29

I want to ask Dave is he planning to update World Map (borders, income or flags)
...
Now (after few more years), the world changed, especially economies (income), like China, Turkey, for the better, and Greece, Italy, Spain for example, for the worse. ...

It has been offered before, but worth repeating, that if a player or group of players wants to take this on, it will be considered.
Keep in mind, GDP values have been modified to bring balance to the map, as the original map with accurate GDP lead to imbalanced games. However, updated borders, flags, etc. will be welcome.

Skrivet av brianwl, 03.08.2019 at 08:31

It has been offered before, but worth repeating, that if a player or group of players wants to take this on, it will be considered.
Keep in mind, GDP values have been modified to bring balance to the map, as the original map with accurate GDP lead to imbalanced games. However, updated borders, flags, etc. will be welcome.

Well, i thought more to update income, not switch to GDP measurement (i think it isn't based on GDP right?), maybe base the update on percentage national economies changes?

Fro example if German economy grew 20% in the last 9 years, then boost German income for 20% in AW? That way you will avoid complication with GDP, and base your update on old AW parameters.

The real life GDP numbers have been taken as a direction which countries should have how much money but not to the full extent just like brian said.
If that was the case then Germany should have double the whole Russian income because those are the real GDP numbers.
But that would make Europe even more OP than it already is..



Source International Monetary Fund World Economic Projections
Date 02 Apr 2018

We should really try to standarice the ammount of reinforcements/income based on real data numbers.

Africa could be improved by the meaining of reinfs and other countries should have more income according to this numbers (whole Russia should have income nerfed and buffing other countries like Mexico, australia, korea, canada...) that currently in the game are very weak.

Also, i remember Tunder or Aetius (can't remember who) was trying to bring an equation to calculate reinforcement/income depending the country.

Skrivet av Tribune Aquila, 01.08.2019 at 14:43

I think every country should have the same income so that way the map is fully balanced, the reinforcements can be different but income should be equal everywhere, it's only fair for African players, etc..

Sean, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Skrivet av 4nic, 01.08.2019 at 17:15

Give pristina to kosovo.

Kosovo je Srbija

Skrivet av Ghostface, 03.08.2019 at 21:24

The real life GDP numbers have been taken as a direction which countries should have how much money but not to the full extent just like brian said.
If that was the case then Germany should have double the whole Russian income because those are the real GDP numbers.
But that would make Europe even more OP than it already is..



Source International Monetary Fund World Economic Projections
Date 02 Apr 2018

Wrong, russia should have the same income as turkey and italy (600) for the entire country.
Brazil australia and canada are also inflated since they are also split up, USA and China are fine. and relatively to europe theyve got proper gdp stats. for example california is richer then any europe country, like rl.

I think Dave has more important priorities at the moment. The world map is perfectly playable and should not be of concern at the moment. There are other things that needs to be prioritized imo.

Just delete it so other maps and scenarios will grow

Skrivet av Franz, 04.08.2019 at 05:50

I think Dave has more important priorities at the moment. The world map is perfectly playable and should not be of concern at the moment. There are other things that needs to be prioritized imo.

what exactly are his priorities though? coz im looking at the atwar changelog, and nothing is happening. maybe 1 bug fix once a month? Not trying to be offensive or anything dave is a nice guy but i wonder how much time they are actually putting into this or if they have other full time jobs?

Skrivet av Guest44105, 04.08.2019 at 07:44

Skrivet av Franz, 04.08.2019 at 05:50

I think Dave has more important priorities at the moment. The world map is perfectly playable and should not be of concern at the moment. There are other things that needs to be prioritized imo.

what exactly are his priorities though? coz im looking at the atwar changelog, and nothing is happening. maybe 1 bug fix once a month? Somtimes 2-3 months go by and no update or change. Not trying to be offensive or anything dave is a nice guy but i wonder how much time they are actually putting into this or if they have other full time jobs?

Skrivet av Guest44105, 04.08.2019 at 07:44

Skrivet av Franz, 04.08.2019 at 05:50

I think Dave has more important priorities at the moment. The world map is perfectly playable and should not be of concern at the moment. There are other things that needs to be prioritized imo.

what exactly are his priorities though? coz im looking at the atwar changelog, and nothing is happening. maybe 1 bug fix once a month? Not trying to be offensive or anything dave is a nice guy but i wonder how much time they are actually putting into this or if they have other full time jobs?

My priority is getting new players. I don't put marketing shit on the changelog. I don't put a lot of shit on the changelog.

Skrivet av 4nic, 01.08.2019 at 17:15

Give sevastopol to Russia: South

Give pristina to kosovo.

ez and both ukr and serb get nerfed. win win.

Skrivet av 4nic, 03.08.2019 at 08:15

It needs a change, and some locations like USA great lakes arent even port cities, which makes no sense, a few tweaks to country economies as well, we shouldnt tinker just with the strats, the map needs a bit of work too...

This but North America in general needs some work. Great lake ports for starters and maybe some more countries in the west. Divide it up more and maybe add some income.

Also would like to see asia get a bit of work. Specifically china. We could discuss all this and figure it out and agree to it ourselves. Then have a decent mapmaker add the changes. Maybe if dave approves have it added to the default world map. The play count of the world map is a big draw. Its the also the foundation of atwar. It is the most important map.

Skrivet av Permamuted, 10.08.2019 at 15:46

Skrivet av 4nic, 01.08.2019 at 17:15

Give sevastopol to Russia: South

Give pristina to kosovo.

ez and both ukr and serb get nerfed. win win.

Skrivet av 4nic, 03.08.2019 at 08:15

It needs a change, and some locations like USA great lakes arent even port cities, which makes no sense, a few tweaks to country economies as well, we shouldnt tinker just with the strats, the map needs a bit of work too...

This but North America in general needs some work. Great lake ports for starters and maybe some more countries in the west. Divide it up more and maybe add some income.

Also would like to see asia get a bit of work. Specifically china. We could discuss all this and figure it out and agree to it ourselves. Then have a decent mapmaker add the changes. Maybe if dave approves have it added to the default world map. The play count of the world map is a big draw. Its the also the foundation of atwar. It is the most important map.

Support in Asia. India, for example, is a total headache. It should be divided in at least 3 or 4 provinces instead having the whole indian subcontinent. Some part of far east Russia could be improved a little (spliting it into 2 or 3 countries and buffing a little only reinf number, not income.

China as i see it is fine, maybe just splitting in 2 countries China: Southwest.

NorthAmerica is another example, Mexico should be Splitted in 2 provinces and buffing it a little.

Skrivet av I_Hate_You_All, 10.08.2019 at 21:48

Skrivet av Permamuted, 10.08.2019 at 15:46

Skrivet av 4nic, 01.08.2019 at 17:15

Give sevastopol to Russia: South

Give pristina to kosovo.

ez and both ukr and serb get nerfed. win win.

Skrivet av 4nic, 03.08.2019 at 08:15

It needs a change, and some locations like USA great lakes arent even port cities, which makes no sense, a few tweaks to country economies as well, we shouldnt tinker just with the strats, the map needs a bit of work too...

This but North America in general needs some work. Great lake ports for starters and maybe some more countries in the west. Divide it up more and maybe add some income.

Also would like to see asia get a bit of work. Specifically china. We could discuss all this and figure it out and agree to it ourselves. Then have a decent mapmaker add the changes. Maybe if dave approves have it added to the default world map. The play count of the world map is a big draw. Its the also the foundation of atwar. It is the most important map.

Support in Asia. India, for example, is a total headache. It should be divided in at least 3 or 4 provinces instead having the whole indian subcontinent. Some part of far east Russia could be improved a little (spliting it into 2 or 3 countries and buffing a little only reinf number, not income.

China as i see it is fine, maybe just splitting in 2 countries China: Southwest.

NorthAmerica is another example, Mexico should be Splitted in 2 provinces and buffing it a little.

Russia is fine, mexico has less reinfs then turkey, its fine as it is too. But if anything needs to be split it would have to be india.

Skrivet av Franz, 04.08.2019 at 05:50

I think Dave has more important priorities at the moment. The world map is perfectly playable and should not be of concern at the moment. There are other things that needs to be prioritized imo.

Wrong, its the main map players go into once making an account, often times the only map hosted in beginners lobby, making it better and more accurate is key to attracting and retaining new players...