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Skrivet av Pheonixking929, 23.02.2017 at 17:32

Side note: I never thought about the difference between your cities and villages, interesting point made

On to main point: Do you think that West (i.e.. US/Europe) and East (mainly Russia) can ever be "friends" given the differences in culture? You brought up how America has individuality while Russia is more collectivist (not commies, but more as worried about community then themselves), are these "innate differences", if you will, too large to allow for the two to remain at peace? I would say that I personally do distrust Russia, but would admit there does seem to be a large russia phobia in current affairs (like the e-mail hacking, while I believe Russians hacked the DNC, I find it odd they left so much evidence of, makes me wonder if it was a disaffected "mole" who leaked it and then the Russians used the hack to cover this up, much like the Soviet Union did), I don't think it serves the US interest to completely ignore Russia (though I would also say that I think Russia needs to do more with building bridges with the West).

There is no difference in culture, but difference in interest (conflict of interests). Russians like american movies, european fashion, american music, european books. If you take aside interests, West and Russia can have normal relations, warm and friendly. But that is hard to happen when we have geopolitics, where US-led West firmly decided to destroy Russia and exploit its resources. Maybe that destruction wont bring genocide or extermination, but its definitely real and in motion. US wasn't so close even to USSR during Cold War, and now it is literally on the Russias doorstep with weapons firing (baltic practice), US never sanctioned USSR and today US sanctioned Russia, something no one expected or believed it is possible to happen, to hit a giant like that (any giant, US, Russia or China), european population would protest and complain so much in cold war if that happend (US sanction USSR), because that would destablizie Europe which is between 2 superpowers, and europeans dont need that.

That's why current crisis is way worse than Cold War, because in CW you didnt know who is stronger and who will attack first, but today West think it can win and Russia is determined to fight back to the last man (because there is no where to go if war is lost, it will be occupation), so chances for war are much higher. Not to mention US debt ticking bomb which US can delay paying if war break out.

I also think America would not be so aggressive if it didn't had debt. But this debt makes them think they can collapse (like USSR), and they know (like Russians) that reunion won't be possible when new independent states feel sovereignity, there will be no more US but 50 independent republics. So maybe US government is pushing for war to avoid collapse, war is one of the easiest ways to unite people as you have common cause and goal (war and victory).

Russia in the other hand, would maybe have territorial and vassal pretensions if not for revolutions, civil war and world wars. But millions of deaths and endless destruction in 20th century stopped Russia from ever again thinking about expansion, wars, militarization and conflict. That just can't happen again. You can bring Hitler and Stalin back, merge them with Putin and they still won't be able to mobilize Russia for world conquest its just not possible because people are tired of wars, they will only take a gun in hands if Russia is invaded.

Skrivet av Pheonixking929, 23.02.2017 at 17:32

As for your last point (your liberals and atheist are different and need to be combatted differently), what exactly is Russias way of combatting them? Do you view atheist as some sort of fifth column? And can you describe to me what you term as "liberal" as I think we might be going off of two definitions for that word.

Only to unleash football hooligans on them, nothing more(ofc im not for that option, but i dont either complain, i simply dont care). Liberalism (or is it true liberalism, idk) is hijacked in Russia by russian anti-russian haters, they hate everything Russian, from family, education, tradition, religion to language, they all want to change it and they openly say it on TV, internet, radio. Maybe they are aware of destruction they desire, or they really believe that will modernize Russia. But don't think that's only in Russia, but in every eastern european country, im 90% sure, because i have few friends there who told me their situation, and some tv channels are available here and there, i didnt even think it was different, because we all had same system, ideology and culture 20 years ago, plus its same continent, religion and people(mostly slavs)

They all want to change old ways and create new ones, and they are all staunchly pro-West, in everything, from good to bad things, but i don't believe they are paid for that, they are not spies, they are really haters (or fanatics who believe in their goal)

Skrivet av Skanderbeg, 23.02.2017 at 20:17

"US wasn't so close even to USSR during Cold War, and now it is literally on the Russias doorstep with weapons firing (baltic practice), US never sanctioned USSR and today US sanctioned Russia, something no one expected or believed it is possible to happen, to hit a giant like that (any giant, US, Russia or China), european population would protest and complain so much in cold war if that happend (US sanction USSR), because that would destablizie Europe which is between 2 superpowers, and europeans dont need that.


But don't think that's only in Russia, but in every eastern european country, im 90% sure, because i have few friends there who told me their situation, and some tv channels are available here and there, i didnt even think it was different, because we all had same system, ideology and culture 20 years ago, plus its same continent, religion and people(mostly slavs)"

- - - European population would complain? Which one? The one which helped commies rig the elections (I see you avoid the term communist) and get the legislative power in their European sphere of influene while pressure made by Kremlin helped institute step by step ministers in the Government, the last stand between the red deluge and democracy being the King? We made a mistake crossing the Dniper with the germans, italians and hungarians in ww2, nobody can deny that, but the backlash, the raping, pilliging of Ivan during the counter-offensive put a deep hate in our hearts towards Ivan and in some years Ivan got the power. Ha, ha, haa, lets all be happy for 40 wonderful years of cincinals and colectivisation and in general political, social, education experimenting on hundred of milions people. Hurray! Hurray!!!! I am born post 89, but I should swear you for 5 minutes for what these degenerate done to our country, and you really believe in this. Give me a break! Go away! European people would protest, yeees, ofc they wouldve done and in the back in the darkness, your commie hounds would whisper them continuously "Yell Down with the Imperialistic West, if not, I throw you out of your job and send you in labor camp." This is the reality and west must know it. No other punishment of God was greater for Romania than communism and it will take generations to heal. I am sad now

And this is not even on topic.

All, not the best, the worst to you

Skrivet av Skanderbeg, 23.02.2017 at 20:17

Skrivet av Pheonixking929, 23.02.2017 at 17:32

Side note: I never thought about the difference between your cities and villages, interesting point made

On to main point: Do you think that West (i.e.. US/Europe) and East (mainly Russia) can ever be "friends" given the differences in culture? You brought up how America has individuality while Russia is more collectivist (not commies, but more as worried about community then themselves), are these "innate differences", if you will, too large to allow for the two to remain at peace? I would say that I personally do distrust Russia, but would admit there does seem to be a large russia phobia in current affairs (like the e-mail hacking, while I believe Russians hacked the DNC, I find it odd they left so much evidence of, makes me wonder if it was a disaffected "mole" who leaked it and then the Russians used the hack to cover this up, much like the Soviet Union did), I don't think it serves the US interest to completely ignore Russia (though I would also say that I think Russia needs to do more with building bridges with the West).

There is no difference in culture, but difference in interest (conflict of interests). Russians like american movies, european fashion, american music, european books. If you take aside interests, West and Russia can have normal relations, warm and friendly. But that is hard to happen when we have geopolitics, where US-led West firmly decided to destroy Russia and exploit its resources. Maybe that destruction wont bring genocide or extermination, but its definitely real and in motion. US wasn't so close even to USSR during Cold War, and now it is literally on the Russias doorstep with weapons firing (baltic practice), US never sanctioned USSR and today US sanctioned Russia, something no one expected or believed it is possible to happen, to hit a giant like that (any giant, US, Russia or China), european population would protest and complain so much in cold war if that happend (US sanction USSR), because that would destablizie Europe which is between 2 superpowers, and europeans dont need that.

That's why current crisis is way worse than Cold War, because in CW you didnt know who is stronger and who will attack first, but today West think it can win and Russia is determined to fight back to the last man (because there is no where to go if war is lost, it will be occupation), so chances for war are much higher. Not to mention US debt ticking bomb which US can delay paying if war break out.

I also think America would not be so aggressive if it didn't had debt. But this debt makes them think they can collapse (like USSR), and they know (like Russians) that reunion won't be possible when new independent states feel sovereignity, there will be no more US but 50 independent republics. So maybe US government is pushing for war to avoid collapse, war is one of the easiest ways to unite people as you have common cause and goal (war and victory).

Russia in the other hand, would maybe have territorial and vassal pretensions if not for revolutions, civil war and world wars. But millions of deaths and endless destruction in 20th century stopped Russia from ever again thinking about expansion, wars, militarization and conflict. That just can't happen again. You can bring Hitler and Stalin back, merge them with Putin and they still won't be able to mobilize Russia for world conquest its just not possible because people are tired of wars, they will only take a gun in hands if Russia is invaded.

Skrivet av Pheonixking929, 23.02.2017 at 17:32

As for your last point (your liberals and atheist are different and need to be combatted differently), what exactly is Russias way of combatting them? Do you view atheist as some sort of fifth column? And can you describe to me what you term as "liberal" as I think we might be going off of two definitions for that word.

Only to unleash football hooligans on them, nothing more(ofc im not for that option, but i dont either complain, i simply dont care). Liberalism (or is it true liberalism, idk) is hijacked in Russia by russian anti-russian haters, they hate everything Russian, from family, education, tradition, religion to language, they all want to change it and they openly say it on TV, internet, radio. Maybe they are aware of destruction they desire, or they really believe that will modernize Russia. But don't think that's only in Russia, but in every eastern european country, im 90% sure, because i have few friends there who told me their situation, and some tv channels are available here and there, i didnt even think it was different, because we all had same system, ideology and culture 20 years ago, plus its same continent, religion and people(mostly slavs)

They all want to change old ways and create new ones, and they are all staunchly pro-West, in everything, from good to bad things, but i don't believe they are paid for that, they are not spies, they are really haters (or fanatics who believe in their goal)

The United states would destroy you from within, your not a tiny dictatorship like Iraq or venezuala or Cuba, they would promise oppressed groups within russias power structure more autonomy, power, wealth, or control and topple it in a similare way as it did ukraine. First with economic stagnation, then civil unrest, and finally revolution. Note this isn't debatable, russia stronk! Is not an arguement, that is how the United states would approach it's destruction, not saying it would be successful it would just be the plan of action, everyone know what happens when you invade russia and it fucking hurts lol xD

Skrivet av Guest, 24.02.2017 at 03:20

We made a mistake crossing the Dniper with the germans, italians and hungarians in ww2, nobody can deny that, but the backlash, the raping, pilliging of Ivan during the counter-offensive put a deep hate in our hearts towards Ivan and in some years Ivan got the power. No other punishment of God was greater for Romania than communism and it will take generations to heal. I am sad now

And your invasion of Russia, rape and killing civilians put a deep hate in Russian hearts. You got what you deserved and what you've wished to others, your evil plan failed and backfired.

Skrivet av Guest, 24.02.2017 at 03:20

All, not the best, the worst to you

And all the best to you.

Skrivet av Helly, 24.02.2017 at 03:28

The United states would destroy you from within, your not a tiny dictatorship like Iraq or venezuala or Cuba, they would promise oppressed groups within russias power structure more autonomy, power, wealth, or control and topple it in a similare way as it did ukraine. First with economic stagnation, then civil unrest, and finally revolution. Note this isn't debatable, russia stronk! Is not an arguement, that is how the United states would approach it's destruction, not saying it would be successful it would just be the plan of action, everyone know what happens when you invade russia and it fucking hurts lol xD

That's true, America learned from European experience and mistakes; colonialism, imperialism, absolutism.

America learned that it is not necessary to have a king or dictator to have stability, order and strong army, it learned it does not need to directly invade countries and create a colony out of them in order to drain its resources. America figured out that regime change is enough, as you don't need to control population, subdue people to your will, just create their laws to suits you, so you can exercise your influence there.

That is 180 degrees different than what Nazi Germany did; absorbing of both territories and people, assimilating all and discarding what it doesn't need. Nazi Germany wanted to control all and everything, to have everything within its borders, within surveilence and order, while America liberalzied the system, it does not care for foreign people, it does not care for governments, only for top 5% most wealthy people in the country, they are usually businessman, people in economy, not politics, because their wealth creates power, not president or government, they are paid to do what wealthy says.

Instead sending armies, US will simply fund non-government organizations, to protest and agitate, create color revolutions, fund opposition parties, then when those parties win in elections, US fund those who lost and are now opposition, thus creating constant conflict.

It's perfect system to rule, mixed Roman divide and conquer, British colonial mandates, German militarism and Chinese art of war.