2 years since Crimea united with Russia

On this day, two years ago Crimea decided to ask Russia for union, and Russian Duma(parliament) accepted. What is your opinion on this matter?


Here are some works of some organizations:

https://www.rt.com/news/318714-crimea-russia-oxford-textbook/


https://www.rt.com/news/national-geographic-map-crimea-758/


https://www.rt.com/news/google-maps-crimea-russian-924/


https://www.rt.com/news/328013-coca-cola-russia-crimea/

Skrivet av Skanderbeg, 21.03.2016 at 08:48

https://www.rt.com/news/328013-coca-cola-russia-crimea/

What other websites besides Russia Today (State-controlled channel) and images besides Coca-Cola and Google Maps you have to show us that 'Crimea is Russian'?

Give back East Prussia!

Skrivet av Al Fappino, 21.03.2016 at 10:21

What other websites besides Russia Today (State-controlled channel) and images besides Coca-Cola and Google Maps you have to show us that 'Crimea is Russian'?

Oxford?

I just gave you info about what media outlets, companies and institutions recognize Crimea as part of Russia. I don't understand what's funny.

Crimea is Russia, the people speak Russian, call themselves Russian, have Russian military there and a bridge connecting it to the motherland soon.
The people are ethnic russians too.
After a legal referendum having 95% + of the vote and over 80% turnout, crimea rejoined Russia after it was gifted to Ukraine during the Soviet Union.
Welcome back to Russia!

Crimea is Serbia!

Skrivet av The_Empirezz, 21.03.2016 at 14:37

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Personally I don't oppose the Crimean Annexation, I just dislike how it was made, Russia was smart tho, exploring Ukranian government weaknesses and political crisis and annex Crimea, a region given to Ukraine by Kruschev (if Im not mistaken).

But following that logic, I'd say Russia should surrender East Prussia to Germany then, because it is a German land, it had ethnic germans (russians executed and forced ethnic germans to get out in WW2 and Germany evacuated East Prussia aswell).

But once again, that means Russia should also give back half of Sakhalin island to Japan, since it was illegally occupied by USSR, after the surrender of Japan, but once again, technically Japan and Russia are still at war lol

Skrivet av Al Fappino, 21.03.2016 at 15:11

Personally I don't oppose the Crimean Annexation, I just dislike how it was made, Russia was smart tho, exploring Ukranian government weaknesses and political crisis and annex Crimea, a region given to Ukraine by Kruschev (if Im not mistaken).

But following that logic, I'd say Russia should surrender East Prussia to Germany then, because it is a German land, it had ethnic germans (russians executed and forced ethnic germans to get out in WW2 and Germany evacuated East Prussia aswell).

But once again, that means Russia should also give back half of Sakhalin island to Japan, since it was illegally occupied by USSR, after the surrender of Japan, but once again, technically Japan and Russia are still at war lol

I respect your comment, as i support free speech and human rights but i have to correct some of your statements as they are not historically true:


1. If Crimea held referendum to decide about their future, that means they RE-JOINED Russia, which mean it wasn't annexation. Annex is when foreign power occupy your land and you oppose and protest that.

2. Crimea was not part of Russia when Ukraine was in political crisis, so it is wrong to say it was 'Russia' being smart exploring weakness, but Crimea.

3. East Prussia is historical German land and not Russian. But according to International Law, taking territory as compensation is legal. Germany inflicted civilian and military casualties to USSR and USSR had legal rights and International Community support to ANNEX East Prussia, but it didn't had right to kick Germans out. Though almost all Germans left voluntarely according to their statements as they were afraid of Communism, Bolsheviks and revenge. Russian laws today allow foreigners to settle in Russian Federation and get citizenship after 2 to 5 years. Germans would probably get instant citizeship if they decide to settle Kalinigrad. They would even get their language eleveted to official status, like many other ethnic groups in Russia have.

4. It was Soviets who fought the German Nazis in WW2, Russia didn't exist back then and so didn't Russian Army (Russians). Soviet Union was Union of 15 republics, 20 autonomous republics, 4 autonomous regions, and Socialist Russia was federation WITHIN Soviet federation, not even unitary state or nation-state. So it is historically incorrect to say 'Russians'. Russians comprised only 50% of the whole USSR, so it wasn't even majority.

5. Sakhalin was same story as Prussia, same war also. It didn't had to happen, but according to law it was legal.


Just correcting some historic terms, doesn't mean i'm taking sides here, so possible accusation of that will be incorrect also, based on insufficient data collected by those who tend.

Skrivet av Al Fappino, 21.03.2016 at 15:11

Skrivet av The_Empirezz, 21.03.2016 at 14:37

bla bla

Personally I don't oppose the Crimean Annexation, I just dislike how it was made, Russia was smart tho, exploring Ukranian government weaknesses and political crisis and annex Crimea, a region given to Ukraine by Kruschev (if Im not mistaken).

But following that logic, I'd say Russia should surrender East Prussia to Germany then, because it is a German land, it had ethnic germans (russians executed and forced ethnic germans to get out in WW2 and Germany evacuated East Prussia aswell).

But once again, that means Russia should also give back half of Sakhalin island to Japan, since it was illegally occupied by USSR, after the surrender of Japan, but once again, technically Japan and Russia are still at war lol

''Exploring Ukrainian government weaknesses and political crisis'' The new Ukrainian government was imposed after a western backed coup ousted the pro-russian president yanukovich, this government blames Russia for all its misfortunes and declared war on separatists in the east of the country, the separatists wish to leave Ukraine but only Crimea ''had the luck'' to join Russia.
I'm not Russian but it is obvious Russia is not doing anything illegal.

You can argue that Russia should get 3/4 of Ukraine too with that logic.
East Prussia is ethnically Russian now since Stalin removed all the Germans there, Germans can easily settle in Kaliningrad if they want but the majority of people are Russian and want to be with Russia there, Crimea was Ukrainian but the absolute majority of the people wanted to be with Russia (again) and it happened trough a legal referendum.

Cheers!

Crimea is still Ukrainian no matter how much Russian military is there. Sorry!

Skrivet av Mr_Own_U, 22.03.2016 at 13:00

Crimea is still Ukrainian no matter how much Russian military is there. Sorry!

It doesn't matter how much Russian military there is there, what matters is how many Russian civillians are there.

Skrivet av Zephyrusu, 22.03.2016 at 16:39

Skrivet av Mr_Own_U, 22.03.2016 at 13:00

Crimea is still Ukrainian no matter how much Russian military is there. Sorry!

It doesn't matter how much Russian military there is there, what matters is how many Russian civillians are there.

Putin probably deported Russians from Ural to Crimea to make them majority by now, its been two years, he could transfer 2 million population by now!

Skrivet av Skanderbeg, 22.03.2016 at 17:10

Skrivet av Zephyrusu, 22.03.2016 at 16:39

Skrivet av Mr_Own_U, 22.03.2016 at 13:00

Putin probably deported Russians from Ural to Crimea to make them majority by now, its been two years, he could transfer 2 million population by now!

Soon Sevastopol might be the largest city in the world!

But seriously I don't know how you can argue that the Crimea isn't Russian

I, for one, do not think Russia's annexation of Crimea was very legitimate.

Just because the region's population is predominantly Russian and wants to be Russian territory does not necessarily mean that the region should be put under Russian sovereignty. It wasn't legitimate when Germany annexed the Sudetenland in 1938, and it isn't legitimate now when Russia annexes Crimea.

Border changes should be made through mutual negotiation and understanding, not by shoving armies into already unstable countries steeped in poverty.

On the other hand, I greatly support the current Russian occupation of Crimea. Somebody has to enforce peace and stability in that slaughterhouse that is today's southeastern Ukraine, and if the E.U. isn't willing to commit, then the Russians are, as far as I care, welcome to.

Skrivet av International, 22.03.2016 at 21:27

I, for one, do not think Russia's annexation of Crimea was very legitimate.

Just because the region's population is predominantly Russian and wants to be Russian territory does not necessarily mean that the region should be put under Russian sovereignty. It wasn't legitimate when Germany annexed the Sudetenland in 1938, and it isn't legitimate now when Russia annexes Crimea.

Border changes should be made through mutual negotiation and understanding, not by shoving armies into already unstable countries steeped in poverty.

On the other hand, I greatly support the current Russian occupation of Crimea. Somebody has to enforce peace and stability in that slaughterhouse that is today's southeastern Ukraine, and if the E.U. isn't willing to commit, then the Russians are, as far as I care, welcome to.

What is your opinion on 1954 event when Socialist Region Crimea is given to SSR Ukraine? Was it legitimate or illegal?

Can we start from there, for example if it was not legal, that Russia today have right to take it back from Ukraine as USSR died and its laws with it?

You guys want land? crimea for russia in-exchange for konigsberg to be reestablished as german property. fair is fair

Skrivet av Richthofen, 23.03.2016 at 14:51

You guys want land? crimea for russia in-exchange for konigsberg to be reestablished as german property. fair is fair

But Germany is not connected to Ukrainian-Russian-Crimean problem. Also if Crimea prove to be Russian property after illegal ownership by Soviet Ukraine, that mean history has be corrected so we again don't see Germany in this story, right?

Skrivet av International, 22.03.2016 at 21:27

I, for one, do not think Russia's annexation of Crimea was very legitimate.

Just because the region's population is predominantly Russian and wants to be Russian territory does not necessarily mean that the region should be put under Russian sovereignty. It wasn't legitimate when Germany annexed the Sudetenland in 1938, and it isn't legitimate now when Russia annexes Crimea.

Border changes should be made through mutual negotiation and understanding, not by shoving armies into already unstable countries steeped in poverty.

On the other hand, I greatly support the current Russian occupation of Crimea. Somebody has to enforce peace and stability in that slaughterhouse that is today's southeastern Ukraine, and if the E.U. isn't willing to commit, then the Russians are, as far as I care, welcome to.

It was very legitimate when Sudetenland became German in 1938. The following occupation of all of Czechoslovakia wasn't, though.

It's russian. russians have declared it their land. gg

There is no Konigsberg, its Kaliningrad now and the people there are Russian aswell.

Skrivet av Ghostface, 26.03.2016 at 12:13

Crimea is 101% Russian

102%*
fixed for you.

The people of Crimea have the right to choose the nation they want to be ruled by, whether it is Russia, Ukraine or an independent Crimea. Their choice is one they have right to make and just because the USA doesn't like that it doesn't mean that it's illegitimate.

Crimea was hellenic, scythish, sarmatian, byzantine, trebizonian, ukrainian, turkish, ukrainian again and only after russian... so how exactly can you putin's lovers say that crimea is russian...

Skrivet av Guest, 27.03.2016 at 11:33

Crimea was hellenic, scythish, sarmatian, byzantine, trebizonian, ukrainian, turkish, ukrainian again and only after russian... so how exactly can you putin's lovers say that crimea is russian...

By that logic no slav people even have the right to any territory in Europe. The answer is simple - The inhabitants of Crimea want to be Russian, therefore they are Russian.

Skrivet av 5th SS Wiking, 27.03.2016 at 15:12

Skrivet av Guest, 27.03.2016 at 11:33

Crimea was hellenic, scythish, sarmatian, byzantine, trebizonian, ukrainian, turkish, ukrainian again and only after russian... so how exactly can you putin's lovers say that crimea is russian...

By that logic no slav people even have the right to any territory in Europe. The answer is simple - The inhabitants of Crimea want to be Russian, therefore they are Russian.

Wow.
How they got there ?

Skrivet av Black Swans, 27.03.2016 at 15:15

Skrivet av 5th SS Wiking, 27.03.2016 at 15:12

Skrivet av Guest, 27.03.2016 at 11:33

Crimea was hellenic, scythish, sarmatian, byzantine, trebizonian, ukrainian, turkish, ukrainian again and only after russian... so how exactly can you putin's lovers say that crimea is russian...

By that logic no slav people even have the right to any territory in Europe. The answer is simple - The inhabitants of Crimea want to be Russian, therefore they are Russian.

Wow.
How they got there ?

Slavic Migrations during 100 to 400 AD - You realize Bulgarians and most of the slavic peoples originate from the Volga region?

Skrivet av 5th SS Wiking, 27.03.2016 at 15:26

Skrivet av Black Swans, 27.03.2016 at 15:15

Skrivet av 5th SS Wiking, 27.03.2016 at 15:12

Skrivet av Guest, 27.03.2016 at 11:33

Crimea was hellenic, scythish, sarmatian, byzantine, trebizonian, ukrainian, turkish, ukrainian again and only after russian... so how exactly can you putin's lovers say that crimea is russian...

By that logic no slav people even have the right to any territory in Europe. The answer is simple - The inhabitants of Crimea want to be Russian, therefore they are Russian.

Wow.
How they got there ?

Slavic Migrations during 100 to 400 AD - You realize Bulgarians and most of the slavic peoples originate from the Volga region?

Incorrect all slavic people originate from Carpaths.
I am asking how did russians get to the crimea ?

Skrivet av Black Swans, 27.03.2016 at 15:27

Skrivet av 5th SS Wiking, 27.03.2016 at 15:26

Skrivet av Black Swans, 27.03.2016 at 15:15

Skrivet av 5th SS Wiking, 27.03.2016 at 15:12

Skrivet av Guest, 27.03.2016 at 11:33

Crimea was hellenic, scythish, sarmatian, byzantine, trebizonian, ukrainian, turkish, ukrainian again and only after russian... so how exactly can you putin's lovers say that crimea is russian...

By that logic no slav people even have the right to any territory in Europe. The answer is simple - The inhabitants of Crimea want to be Russian, therefore they are Russian.

Wow.
How they got there ?

Slavic Migrations during 100 to 400 AD - You realize Bulgarians and most of the slavic peoples originate from the Volga region?

Incorrect all slavic people originate from Carpaths.
I am asking how did russians get to the crimea ?

Ethnically they aren't actually Russians, they are Tatar. But they view themselves as Russians due to many cultural factors all of which I am not aware of, and I think that if Russia is willing to accept them as their citizens then they are legally Russian. One of these factors would be that the Tatars were more assimilated than the Ukrainians because it was viewed as such that the Ukrainians were 'Russian' enough.

Skrivet av 5th SS Wiking, 27.03.2016 at 15:29

Skrivet av Black Swans, 27.03.2016 at 15:27

Skrivet av 5th SS Wiking, 27.03.2016 at 15:26

Skrivet av Black Swans, 27.03.2016 at 15:15

Skrivet av 5th SS Wiking, 27.03.2016 at 15:12

Skrivet av Guest, 27.03.2016 at 11:33

Crimea was hellenic, scythish, sarmatian, byzantine, trebizonian, ukrainian, turkish, ukrainian again and only after russian... so how exactly can you putin's lovers say that crimea is russian...

By that logic no slav people even have the right to any territory in Europe. The answer is simple - The inhabitants of Crimea want to be Russian, therefore they are Russian.

Wow.
How they got there ?

Slavic Migrations during 100 to 400 AD - You realize Bulgarians and most of the slavic peoples originate from the Volga region?

Incorrect all slavic people originate from Carpaths.
I am asking how did russians get to the crimea ?

Ethnically they aren't actually Russians, they are Tatar. But they view themselves as Russians due to many cultural factors all of which I am not aware of, and I think that if Russia is willing to accept them as their citizens then they are legally Russian. One of these factors would be that the Tatars were more assimilated than the Ukrainians because it was viewed as such that the Ukrainians were 'Russian' enough.

Would you accept al jazeera to post something orI have to find other source ?