Should this soon to be state be recognized?

Should it be recognized considering the Kurdish YPG has been instrumental in the fight against Daesh and has shown the ability to defend themselves and respect other minorities? In other words, should their be an independent Kurdistan for one fo the largest non-state minority in the world?

Skrivet av Ghostface, 16.03.2016 at 15:42

The problem is not should it be because it certainly will gain independence , problem is on which countries cost it will be

For me, I see the Middle East and its religious and cultural/ethnic divisions similar to that of Europe centuries ago. All fo the states are multi ethnic with little sense of national identity among the majority of the groups. If the Middle East is to have the stability Europe has, I feel it needs nation-states (nation as in nationalities, state as in a country. ie. Kurds are a nation, Kurdistan their state). Perhaps the borders of the Middle East need to be redrawn.... but by who and through what methods?

They are secular, democratic, leftists, with 30-50% women fighters among their ranks, have delivered tons of pain and humiliation to evil Turks over the years and are the only people in the isis infected M.E. area, that instead of running to Europe, not only stand and fight, but whoop some serious Isis ass. Whats not to love!

Skrivet av Pheonixking929, 16.03.2016 at 16:41

Skrivet av Ghostface, 16.03.2016 at 15:42

The problem is not should it be because it certainly will gain independence , problem is on which countries cost it will be

For me, I see the Middle East and its religious and cultural/ethnic divisions similar to that of Europe centuries ago. All fo the states are multi ethnic with little sense of national identity among the majority of the groups. If the Middle East is to have the stability Europe has, I feel it needs nation-states (nation as in nationalities, state as in a country. ie. Kurds are a nation, Kurdistan their state). Perhaps the borders of the Middle East need to be redrawn.... but by who and through what methods?

Biggest supporters of the Kurdish people are the Russians and Iran , the US also favours them because they are very efective in fighting ISIS. The way the map was drawn by the west was very wrong and like you said it left a lot of different people in one state which creates all the chaos and wars we see today. The Kurdish population is from somewhere from 30 to 40 million (thats a huge number considering there are states in the world independant with populations as low as 1 million.They are bound to have a state in my opinion.

Actually their (possible) state is called Aram, not Kurdistan but nevermind.

Not every country is called by their national majority (ie: Russia, Bulgaria, Germany, England, France).

Afghanistan comprise of Tajiks and Pashtuns

Skrivet av Skanderbeg, 16.03.2016 at 18:13

Actually their (possible) state is called Aram, not Kurdistan but nevermind.

Not every country is called by their national majority (ie: Russia, Bulgaria, Germany, England, France).

Afghanistan comprise of Tajiks and Pashtuns

I have always heard of it to be called Kurdistan (can I ask where Aram came from though? Having difficulty finding information on it).

From my perspective, if you look at Germany or France, everyone there speaks the same language, everyone has very similar cultural and religious traditions (OR respect each other's differences). In the Middle East, there is a lot of bad blood because only one segment of society is in power all the time and does not respect other groups. Afghanistan, while comprised of the two ethnic groups you described, has a different situation than in the Middle East. While a strong Afghan identity is not present completely (imo I think it is beginning to foster), the tribes in the area respect each other enough to not attempt secession or invade other parts (with the exception of extremist groups). The Middle East needs to develop some type of nation-state identity or at least have a respectable government like in Lebanon years before the civil war where Christians, Jews, Muslims, Druze, and minorities in between all lived together in peace (Beirut was considered the Paris of the Middle East).

Only ones that would say no are butthurt nationalist Turks.

Yes, I support nationalism.

Skrivet av Khal.eesi, 16.03.2016 at 16:59

They are secular, democratic, leftists, with 30-50% women fighters among their ranks, have delivered tons of pain and humiliation to evil Turks over the years and are the only people in the isis infected M.E. area, that instead of running to Europe, not only stand and fight, but whoop some serious Isis ass. Whats not to love!

The fact that they are leftists and their independence will upset two stable nations in ME(Iran and Turkey)

Skrivet av 5th SS Wiking, 18.03.2016 at 11:44

Skrivet av Khal.eesi, 16.03.2016 at 16:59

They are secular, democratic, leftists, with 30-50% women fighters among their ranks, have delivered tons of pain and humiliation to evil Turks over the years and are the only people in the isis infected M.E. area, that instead of running to Europe, not only stand and fight, but whoop some serious Isis ass. Whats not to love!

The fact that they are leftists and their independence will upset two stable nations in ME(Iran and Turkey)

Considering Turkey has been suppressing Kurds for years resulting in a civil war in the southeast- they've had this one coming. As for Iran, I am not sure if the Kurds there have the ability or the will to fight a war of independence. I think most Iranians have a strong national identity and would much rather see reforms in their government than regime change.

If there are sovereign nations with populations up to 100.000 people, why can't there be a Kurdish sovereign nation? They've been instrumental in the fight against ISIS and have proved their worth and honour, besides, Saladin was Kurd as some say

So Yes, I favour nationalism and the self-determination of (some) people, and I do believe Kurds should have their own nation.

BUMP because I would like to hear more form people who are against a Kurdish state (just like to hear other opinions)

Skrivet av Pheonixking929, 05.04.2016 at 20:11

BUMP because I would like to hear more form people who are against a Kurdish state (just like to hear other opinions)

the only people that will be against it are the kebab lovers and don't expect a legitimate argument from one of them

Skrivet av Pheonixking929, 05.04.2016 at 20:11

BUMP because I would like to hear more form people who are against a Kurdish state (just like to hear other opinions)

Dude, if you want anti-Kurdish state opinions spam the Turan Ordusu faggot autistic kebab clan and the kebab autists like Opi and they'll be all over this like Allies were all over turkey before 1923 and Atta(fag)turk rose XD

Skrivet av Pheonixking929, 18.03.2016 at 17:51

Where Turks?

You can find lots of autistic nationalistic Turks on quora on questions about Kurds/Greeks/Cyprus/Armenians/Serbians/Russians. Most of them bad english, lots of free time, recent discovery of the magic source of info called the internet and a wild desire to rewrite history.

Skrivet av Khal.eesi, 09.04.2016 at 15:49

wild desire to rewrite history.

inb4 they can't even pick up a gun

Skrivet av Al Fappino, 09.04.2016 at 19:30

Skrivet av Khal.eesi, 09.04.2016 at 15:49

wild desire to rewrite history.

inb4 they can't even pick up a gun

They can pick up a gun, it's just that they can't pick up anything else like a pen or a paintbrush because they're Mongolic savages still stuck in the 11th century and only know how to kill, rape and destroy.

Meanwhile on this topic we can say that these 10 players who voted no are turks or poturchenjaks.(under turks)

Skrivet av Oleg, 10.04.2016 at 06:07

Meanwhile on this topic we can say that these 10 players who voted no are turks or poturchenjaks.(under turks)

I'm not a turk. I'm opposed to Kurdish independence if it's backed by the PKK and associate groups, like any clever human should be

Skrivet av 5th SS Wiking, 10.04.2016 at 08:18

Skrivet av Oleg, 10.04.2016 at 06:07

Meanwhile on this topic we can say that these 10 players who voted no are turks or poturchenjaks.(under turks)

I'm not a turk.

So,you are poturcenjak

Part of me says yes, just to fuck with the Turks. But then again, Israel has been investing a lot of effort and money into Kurdish independence. My instinct and the instinct of any sane gentile should be to always do the opposite of what they want.

Sorry Kurds, bigger forces are at play here. Maybe next time.

Skrivet av Tik-Tok, 14.04.2016 at 07:52

Part of me says yes, just to fuck with the Turks. But then again, Israel has been investing a lot of effort and money into Kurdish independence. My instinct and the instinct of any sane gentile should be to always do the opposite of what they want.

Sorry Kurds, bigger forces are at play here. Maybe next time.

What do you think would happen if the Kurds were able to develop their own country? Arn't the Israelis simply funding the Kurd to screw over Assad with the added bonus of not being radical jihadist?