Thank you Amok & Ivan (And Sun Tzu)
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Given the current state of this game, and me not being sure if I would ever have the possibility again to say this to any of you guys, but I would really like to thank you: Amok and Ivan, for creating this wonderful game back in 2010 and with that bringing all the great people I've met, the friends I've made, and the many many great moments and memories I've also experienced over the many years on this incredible and special game.
After the Golden era of Call of Duty (MW2; BO1; MW3; BO2) I was in need of a new game to get addicted to (and I did already play Afterwind during that time, but not as much as I did afterwards) and I did get hooked up on this game again. Like I explained in my other post, the community-feellike atmosphere this game offered is what kept me logging in for many many years, even long after I lost most of the interests in competitively competing in the game. There is plenty of things this game has taught me personally, but I think I can speak for any non-native English speaker when I say that this game has offered many of us a platform where we could sharpen and perfection our English skills, and become sophisticated native-like speakers in the end 😉. And for that I am infinitely grateful, because it's actually something that ended up being very useful in my line of work. On personal level however, this game has also really opened my eyes as a naïve teenager at the time whom had a very fantasy-like view of the world, and thanks to the many chats, political debates, long conversations and banters I've had with many many people all over the world from many different cultures, it made me see things very differently in the world, for which I'm grateful. And the never-ending bragging rights of 200iq of topography, didn't hurt either.
I know a lot of people at the time cheered when you guys sold Afterwind, because we've been hearing 99,5% for many many years and most of us were all fed up with barely any updates from within the staff team, but I still think the 2010-2017/2018 period were the best years this game has ever had and I am glad that I could be a part of it during most of that period. Special thanks to Sun Tzu as well, whom picked up the control of the staff team during your times of absence, he really kept the game running for a while, before it got sold.
Given how things turned out to be over the last couple of years, I guess the saying: 'You don't know what you got till it's gone' unfortunately really did apply in this case.
Unfortunately it's not possible to write all of this on my own account anymore and I have to refer to an alt, but I hope both of you are doing very well in your personal lifes and I'm sure it must bring up some feelings for you guys as well seeing the game in the current state as it is.
Thank you for the wonderful times.
Waffel
After the Golden era of Call of Duty (MW2; BO1; MW3; BO2) I was in need of a new game to get addicted to (and I did already play Afterwind during that time, but not as much as I did afterwards) and I did get hooked up on this game again. Like I explained in my other post, the community-feellike atmosphere this game offered is what kept me logging in for many many years, even long after I lost most of the interests in competitively competing in the game. There is plenty of things this game has taught me personally, but I think I can speak for any non-native English speaker when I say that this game has offered many of us a platform where we could sharpen and perfection our English skills, and become sophisticated native-like speakers in the end 😉. And for that I am infinitely grateful, because it's actually something that ended up being very useful in my line of work. On personal level however, this game has also really opened my eyes as a naïve teenager at the time whom had a very fantasy-like view of the world, and thanks to the many chats, political debates, long conversations and banters I've had with many many people all over the world from many different cultures, it made me see things very differently in the world, for which I'm grateful. And the never-ending bragging rights of 200iq of topography, didn't hurt either.
I know a lot of people at the time cheered when you guys sold Afterwind, because we've been hearing 99,5% for many many years and most of us were all fed up with barely any updates from within the staff team, but I still think the 2010-2017/2018 period were the best years this game has ever had and I am glad that I could be a part of it during most of that period. Special thanks to Sun Tzu as well, whom picked up the control of the staff team during your times of absence, he really kept the game running for a while, before it got sold.
Given how things turned out to be over the last couple of years, I guess the saying: 'You don't know what you got till it's gone' unfortunately really did apply in this case.
Unfortunately it's not possible to write all of this on my own account anymore and I have to refer to an alt, but I hope both of you are doing very well in your personal lifes and I'm sure it must bring up some feelings for you guys as well seeing the game in the current state as it is.
Thank you for the wonderful times.
Waffel
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Great, don't agree with any assessment that goes against what you wish were true. You haven't heard a single person out, you just go back to justifying killing the game while continuing to delete posts. This game is a safe space Dave, YOUR safe space. What more can be said? It's literally been the same discussion for years. If you still don't see that what happened was in some way wrong, you never will. But, this is your house and you make the rules. Enjoy your empty, lonely home. Hope you are well as well.
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Dave, there is no point in deleting messages. They can still be seen. I still don't get why dont you unban players ffs. Lion deserves a pardon, I agree with my compatriot. He apologized and it was one moment that resulted in nothing as it was all saved in a backup. Let's not fuck around and unban players ffs. the faster the better. If you don't unban players, at this point it shows that you care more about your ego than the game. Besides bugs and lion, what was the main reason players like Jugers or Trystane got the banhammer? 3 and a half years on, that is over 1200 days, there is no point in keeping the bans. Please consider it. The game is worse than it was 1 year ago, and has been that way forever. In some sense im surprised we can still get games with 8 people. Besides, I don't like to blame Sid for whatever happend. Yes, he did make mistakes but he is one of the reasons I'm still into atwar to this day. He has always been a nice person to me and taught me a lot of stuff - I know he is a good person.
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Well it was exactly like I predicted..... 
Like not even an hour after that he showed up and wrote a bunch of posts. I deleted and banned. Immediately after that server started getting ddos'd. His behavior hasn't changed for 5+ years and counting. So predictable.
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There was no backup of Discord. He permanently deleted it. All those years of content are gone forever. That's not "nothing".
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I really dont understand what harm can do unbanning players without making them moderators supporters or whatever. They cant make the enviroment worse then it is now, it's almost impossible to get decent games starting, and the few people that are around still act toxic or trolls or anything (appear to be the nature of this kind of games). Once again i never took any part in any side, but all this looks like children planting their foot for some toy that got broken years before (both sides). Just slowly come back to play games if you like to, and just unbann people if they only wants to play the game until they prove they didnt learn and bann them again.
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Dave, my message wasn't so much trolling, just melodramatic drivel. I've met Sid multiple times in person, I dearly miss 2017-2020 Sid, he was one of my closest friends, truly a great, funny, rational guy. Someone younger me could look to for wisdom. Unfortunately he became a mind-shattered, hysterical, leftist freak in like 2021 (I suspect too much Reddit) and is now incapable of emotional regulation. He cut off essentially everyone close to him in our online sphere including me. This timeframe parallels his volatile moves in banning individuals, but I digress. I don't have any strong opinions on what should happen next. I'd loosely argue a pardon on all non category 1 threats, including Lao, just ignore him. Certain players deserve the ban hammer rightly so but I'd like to see some old faces around here once again. Once again it's your game, do what you please. It must be entertaining seeing mini uprisings on your own product, the irony doesn't escape me.  I do have a few ideas on how to give this game a bit of juice, maybe I'll communicate through our favorite German mod.
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This forum has been one of the best things that had happened in atwar recently. It actually has sparked activity in the game and revealed there is hope for this game. After reading all the post made I have come to a simple decision. There are a lot of players still willing to play but they are banned or mad at Dave. The Lion situation is one that constantly haunts this game, it is over a joke, Lion being young and stupid deleted a dead discord server. Maybe it's time Dave to consider unbanning him. He could be a asset to this game the few weeks he played there were CWs 2v2 old players having fun competing it was a blast for a new player hungry to learn. Then 1 day I logged on his alt was banned. Consequently 2v2s and 3v3s died and CWs stopped happening. Dave you said that Lion destroyed important discord stuff, but you are wrong discord has nothing to offer it's experienced players give nuggets and nurturing younger players so when they leave there is a new generation to carry the game. I have become a lot better player from the short time I knew Lion he encouraged me and helped me become better and also created games. Also I can say the same for Temp and Khauman. You can do all you want to this game and spend all the money you want on advertising, but it will be futile because there is nothing to keep players hooked. I'm adding this in not as a jest, but as a insight there is a old prestige forum that is more active then this game with player talking having fun and reminiscing the old times. It is also more active then the Atwar official discord that hasn't had a active conversation in 2 years so Lion Sins delete wasn't even major. So please consider letting him come back as a player not as a MOD, and see how the game flourish. Trust me if you started lifting banneds on main accounts CWs and the game would get so much more active. Also your advertising money would go to use because you would actually be able to get players to stay. I also want to thank everyone who helped me from Tungston, Lion, Temp, Khauman, Waffel, CaptainWF, and Palm you made the game fun and it's the only reason I play .
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Dave i really dont understand why you refuse to unban. Just permamute them on all but pr if you really dont want their opinions Sorry but i really dont see any viable reason to sée thé game die (Also waffel, Fuck you)
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Yes because you type too much. I don't have time to read all that. Especially when you start off with a bunch of false crap.
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If you heil him he can give you my personal discord.
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He gets mad when I do that
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I appreciate your feedback and I do hear you, even if I don't 100% agree with you. Thank you for being kind and respectful.
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Well at least on this we agree. It's a beginning 
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Dave, I think it goes without saying at this point—everyone has already shared their thoughts on the current state of the game: the players you've refused to unban, the slow pace of improvements, and the steady decline in activity. However, I'd like to comment on one particular aspect. A true leader knows when to acknowledge a mistake. And if you're looking for examples, some of the most respected CEOs—like those of Microsoft or Apple—have publicly admitted when they've made the wrong call. That's not weakness, that's humility. I say this with the utmost respect: I hope you take a moment to genuinely reflect. Even users often labeled as toxic or disruptive—like Kaska—have recognized that the mass banning of players has gone too far. And honestly, if someone like me, who used to be known for toxic behavior in duels and clan wars, can admit it was time to grow up and stop playing the victim, I believe change is possible. I had to take a "forced vacation" myself, and I now recognize how counterproductive that attitude was. As Kaska suggested, why not simply unban those users but mute them from everything except private messages? What real harm could they do? If you give them a second chance, many of them might return—and with them, activity could increase again. We could even experiment with fresh concepts: maybe an "ancient season," or a rotation of never-before-seen maps. As we all know, atWar has near-infinite creative potential. And if time or resources are the problem, subcontracting is always an option. Outsourcing some work to experienced developers—say, from Mexico or India—could go a long way. Believe me, as a business and process consultant, I say this from experience. As many have said, an event where you make Waffel super admin or I don't know, something innovative while simply AIing the game or fixing bugs in the maps. And on the topic of Lion nuking the discord, please Dave, it's not like it was the end of the world. I bet Croat or someone else who had the power to do that over a little tantrum could have done it. It's time to move into the future, even games that were abandonware are reviving thanks to the community, you need a real community manager for the game and maybe, dedicate yourself to the technical, marketing and business issues of the game and believe me many people in the community would be happy to help as it was in that era when Alois and not a certain bug abuser was the head supporter. I know I'm repeating things others have already pointed out, but I still felt it was worth adding my two cents to the conversation.
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Well, this thread has certainly gained traction. This is my (unwarranted?) two cents on the issue. Working in law has given me insight into the impulse to punish as a means of deterrence, which is entirely valid. Historically, punishment has been regarded as the most effective way to discourage unwanted behavior. However, the legal system also incorporates statutes of limitations for good reason. If we imprisoned people indefinitely, our correctional facilities would quickly reach capacity. After 4-5 years, it's reasonable to conclude that the point has been made. While punishments help maintain social order, second chances make our communities more humane and livable. The competitive community is barely surviving, and realistically, extending second chances to players might breathe new life into what once united enthusiasts across the board. You can always reinstate bans if necessary, but taking a measured risk to improve the game's ecosystem seems like a reasonable gamble. Consider that growth often comes from our willingness to reevaluate rigid positions. The strongest communities aren't those that punish forever, but those that create pathways for genuine rehabilitation and reintegration. At some point, we must ask ourselves what matters more: maintaining the permanence of old decisions or fostering an environment where people can demonstrate they've changed. The game's future might depend on our answer.
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The fucking audacity to ONLY reply to that part of my message and ignore the entirety of it, aswell as the other one. It feels like im talking to a brick wall. w.e, I know making you angry will not help in any shape or form to get what we, as a community, want from you. Which seems simple, but apparently isn't. I'm really getting on my nerves (Croat style)
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They painting you out to be this evil guy who won't change his mind about banned players when it is simply not true. You and the mods didn't have to remove my permaban back during the pandemic, but you did 
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I want to compare this situation to another game, from a business perspective. There was a Yu-Gi-Oh-style game hosted by a Canadian developer that had a really promising feature everyone was excited about when it first launched in beta. But for five years, that feature remained in beta, never fully released—just a few teaser images of how it might look. Just like this game, it had a great community, but also its share of issues. People got banned, and over time the game slowly died out. The owner had the same ego and vision you seem to have. And guess what happened? Konami released a new version, and the original developer had to shut down his game—bad leadership, slow updates, and a dying player base took it down. This game is giving me the same vibes. A developer with a big ego, no major updates in years, a fading community... Don't be surprised if someone else creates a similar game and everything people invested here becomes worthless. We can disagree on many things, but one thing's clear: the current state of the game is awful, and we all see it. I understand you might not have the time to work on new features. I understand you may not want to unban certain players for what they did—but it's been three years. At the very least, you can try to save the community and give this game a second chance to grow again. As for xBugs—we played years ago when he was around rank 7. I'm not his biggest fan because his ego might actually be bigger than yours, but I can't deny he's smart and could do a lot to help the game. Did he cheat? Yes. Would he do it again if unbanned? I honestly don't think so. I don't even know if we'd end up playing again, but you get the point. And Pavle? He's no saint either. He used the range bug (a cheat), and nothing happened. I even beat him 2:1 in a tourney, and he accused me of lying and claimed it was 1:1—even though I had all the evidence. Still, he remained a support and never got banned. Here's my suggestion: Do a hard reset. Unban everyone. Give people a second chance. Try to revive the community, because you're not attracting new players—and even if you do, without the experienced ones around, the game will feel empty and boring to newcomers.
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You lost all credibility when you said bugs should be unbanned. That unhinged freak has been perma banned for many years before Dave and should be forever. "The enemy of my enemy is not my friend" Any idea/movement bugs attaches himself to is wildly unserious. It's time you understand that. He is not smart. He cannot create, only destroy. He can hardly be considered an atwar player, he cheated as a rank 2 in 2017 and has been perma banned since, with short stints of playing under an alt. He is not a part of this community, drop it.
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Cmon Dave, do the right thing, its now or never, general pardon my friends, they dindu nothing, general pardon even xbugs just tie his hands so he wont hack anymore.
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