Suggestions from multiple players of this game - up to date
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Since the old thread died by Vafika quitting Afterwind and Amok came back a few days ago, I put the original post into a shorther and up-dated form.
Whoever has an idea and wants it to be added can leave a comment, I will keep this list up to date and add points which are worth it, judged by the players.
These are the actual suggestions:
1) Game-mechanics
first turn attacks
- turn blocking or rushing (attacking the enemies capital with all units) can randomly decide a game in turn one
- bigger countries will beat a smaller one in turn 1 with a 50% chance
-> forbid attacking each others cities in turn one
coalition wars
- the coalition war (cw) mechanics have several problems
- players (enemy Leaders, Officers) can start a game without the host knowing
-> allow start only if all parties agreed
- the cw aspect of Afterwind is almost dead
-> implement a system where coalitions have to fight, combined with losing points over time
strategy balancing
- this strategies are still not balanced
- Tank General needs a boost
- Lucky Bastard (LB) is the worst strategy and inferior in every case
joining a game, entering later
- it is possible to join a game without picking a country, wait a few turns and enter then, even after the maximal joining week
- if the player limit is not reached, it is difficult for a player in the game to see if there is a player who actually joined, but didnt enter yet
->if you join a game you should be forced to pick right in this turn, otherwise you should have to click 'join game' again in the next turn
2) Game-aspects
Elo rating system
- player-rankings based on SP doesn't show a players skill, the following suggestions would also increase the competition in this game and be another step to make Afterwind the leading strategy-browser-game
-> implement a ladder ranking with brackets
-> point-system similar to ELO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system)
-> brackets could be: rated 1vs1, rated team-games: 2vs2, 3vs3
-> players would have to stay in their team, if the leave it to join another they loose their rank
games with equal conditions for every participant
- since the strategies are not balanced
-> add the possibility to create games where every player has the same strategy and without upgrades
-> this option should be the standard in the ranked 1vs1 games, as a result the games will be more skill-based and the ranking more meaningful
personal chat-rooms
- coalition chat is nice but sometimes you want to speak with a group of people
-> add a function where players can create chat rooms, where the host is also the mod and can invite/kick players
profile-comments
- many people have friends in this game and would like to communicate with them in a way similar to social networks
-> add profile comments to the game
-> the profile owner would have to unlock the comments before other players can see them to prevent defamation
-> ignored players would be unable to post
extended duel-list
- nowadays, it's only possible too see the last ten duels a player fought
-> make it possible to see all duels a player ever played while adding a scrollbar to limit the duel-list's space
rep in forums
- it would be useful if you could give a person rep in the forums if he helped you with something, this will increase his reliability for other players
-> add a function to give someone 'forum-rep'
Whoever has an idea and wants it to be added can leave a comment, I will keep this list up to date and add points which are worth it, judged by the players.
These are the actual suggestions:
1) Game-mechanics
first turn attacks
- turn blocking or rushing (attacking the enemies capital with all units) can randomly decide a game in turn one
- bigger countries will beat a smaller one in turn 1 with a 50% chance
-> forbid attacking each others cities in turn one
coalition wars
- the coalition war (cw) mechanics have several problems
- players (enemy Leaders, Officers) can start a game without the host knowing
-> allow start only if all parties agreed
- the cw aspect of Afterwind is almost dead
-> implement a system where coalitions have to fight, combined with losing points over time
strategy balancing
- this strategies are still not balanced
- Tank General needs a boost
- Lucky Bastard (LB) is the worst strategy and inferior in every case
joining a game, entering later
- it is possible to join a game without picking a country, wait a few turns and enter then, even after the maximal joining week
- if the player limit is not reached, it is difficult for a player in the game to see if there is a player who actually joined, but didnt enter yet
->if you join a game you should be forced to pick right in this turn, otherwise you should have to click 'join game' again in the next turn
2) Game-aspects
Elo rating system
- player-rankings based on SP doesn't show a players skill, the following suggestions would also increase the competition in this game and be another step to make Afterwind the leading strategy-browser-game
-> implement a ladder ranking with brackets
-> point-system similar to ELO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system)
-> brackets could be: rated 1vs1, rated team-games: 2vs2, 3vs3
-> players would have to stay in their team, if the leave it to join another they loose their rank
games with equal conditions for every participant
- since the strategies are not balanced
-> add the possibility to create games where every player has the same strategy and without upgrades
-> this option should be the standard in the ranked 1vs1 games, as a result the games will be more skill-based and the ranking more meaningful
personal chat-rooms
- coalition chat is nice but sometimes you want to speak with a group of people
-> add a function where players can create chat rooms, where the host is also the mod and can invite/kick players
profile-comments
- many people have friends in this game and would like to communicate with them in a way similar to social networks
-> add profile comments to the game
-> the profile owner would have to unlock the comments before other players can see them to prevent defamation
-> ignored players would be unable to post
extended duel-list
- nowadays, it's only possible too see the last ten duels a player fought
-> make it possible to see all duels a player ever played while adding a scrollbar to limit the duel-list's space
rep in forums
- it would be useful if you could give a person rep in the forums if he helped you with something, this will increase his reliability for other players
-> add a function to give someone 'forum-rep'
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There is an SP fee fo names but its only for non premium memebers if your premium you can change it for free if your not it costs 7.5k SP
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Mmm, I still think the devs should make s every month or so, but these s should have a wide variety of new thing's to do. If you skip bug testing and let the community find them you could just make similar "1.1.2" patches to patch said bugs...ramble ramble ramble lol. Also I just thought I should bring this up from the dead again, why not some economical options? I know, seems hard in quick games, but some could work well in casual games. For instance- have some countries primarily grow one material and it can be sold for a predetermined price on a market option- same go's for countries, except that you determine the price of the country (option). This would make some people want to make casual more, and some people up to the challenge could try it in quick games 
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I think Cargo Ships are going to add more economical aspects to the game.
---- "Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms".
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Three things. 1- I agree with that there needs to be a fee for name changing. 2- I agree that the strategies need to be balanced in the way that Ironail presented. 3- Cargo ships.
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I agree with nerfing IF somehow, not sure -1hp would help much, maybe makes all units cost 10% to 15% more?
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What about disbanding units? it would be useful, sometimes we paid* good money for premium instead of paying for name changing, why not limit the number of times of changing username?
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How about we forget the whole username problem and remember that beta users earned that privilege by playing and not drifting away? Besides, it seems like the oly people really ticked off about it are those who came after beta. Support the game you play every day and buy premium pl0x.
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this is a terribad suggestion. kids, you know exactly what not to post now
---- I was banned for your sins VAGlJESUS ["I love me some KFC"]
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Why would we forget it? We're just discussing it... What is the difference if someone is paying or not? It's player's decision... Btw, I pay it every month so...
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I'm sorry, but the only players defending the maintenance of the privilege of infinity name changing are those who benefit from it. Just check the profiles. Let's try to think in the whole community here.
---- "Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms".
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I agree. Only Id like to point out that one of the main ways this benefits these aforementioned players is that they can use their changed names to flame other players and nationalities. i.e. Player has you on ignore because they cant stand you already, change your name! they cant ignore it, and the message is there for everyone to see for as long you keep your name as such
I think this is a good feature to add. For instance, in the event of playing GW, it is generally a good idea to get rid of your starting Infantry as quickly as possible as they are heavily nerfed and only create a burden on your economy.
+1 to this. However, I think strategy modifications should be implemented slowly... not all at once. As you modify one strategy, other strategies will be affected as well considering that these strategies are played against each other. Id recommend starting with the 2 weakest strategies listed and wait a minimum of 2 weeks before modifying any others.
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I need to ask, in game chat whenever discussing any major idea or another has, people say "it would be too hard to implement", I don't get this. Does "too hard" mean "impossible"? or is it because it would really be hard to implement? Become it seems like some ideas that are given this treatment seem really nice and innovative, hell before scenarios people would say that they would be "too hard" as well! But in the end the population does not decide what the admins do and how they do it, they just support them and have a fabulous time playing their fantastic creation  ---- Btw, @ Caulpera (to lazy too open 2nd tab to quote  )It's good you pay every month, I was just trying to point that players should if they really like the game. I just think it's crap that everyone is whining over one little option available only for beta players (not sure if premium's get name change for free, correct me if i'm wrong pl0x) when we could be discussing more important topics, so please don't feel offended or anything, im just trying to say what I think at thew moment, but im sure after thinking about it for awhile and weighing the pro's and con's 'll have a different approach  ---- @ Pinheiro (again to lazy to quote) Maybe so, but im sure the whole community would rather have more "fun" s instead of waiting a week to find out the new makes them pay more to change their name. Shall we forget the art that was Vafika and Cao? Okay, we can can forget Vafika but the many names of Cao have been hilarious and any other ohexploitable emotion you can think of, for the most part that is. It's a bad example I know, but it's a fun example P.S. Grand master Fruit wants me to mention that he supports name changing.
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We have different concepts of fun, but I won't enter in this subject. Using your own argument, changing that aspect of the game is a very easy task, since 1) It was already that way before and 2) It's still that way for non-premium members. Anyway, it's just a minor thing, and a side upgrade. Lets focus on major things now since we won't reach a conclusion. For example. We all agree that Lucky Bastard is still unplayable despite the last changes done by Ivan. How could we remake it without making it too similar to another strategy?
---- "Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms".
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Maybe make it so that the chance for initial ARB (i.e. the first +1 you receive) is 100%. Im not sure what the chances for ARB atm, I think it has been changed recently.
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Cargo Ships, just some ideas. They should have a relatively low cost, somewhere around 100 coins. They have the same speed as destroyers but 0 attack and defence. When you move your Cargo Ship into second city you will get a cash bonus proportional to the distance travelled. Eg. Moving a ship from London to Amsterdam would lose you money because the distance travelled is so small, moving a ship from London to Cape Town or Boston would give you bonus money because of the distance travelled (note: distance travelled means a fixed distance between the two cities so people can't just move a Cargo Ship back and forth to generate bonus money). To avoid the exploitation of these economic units it should consume all the reinforcements left in the city with a minimum of 4/5 reinforcements required to make the unit. This means cities that are far behind your front lines can still serve an economic purpose but smaller cities would not be able to punch above their wieght and just grant tons of free money. It would also require use of naval units to protect and attack economies as well as giving players something to do whilst waiting for players to finish their turns beyond making walls.
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I have a special suggestion, how about a developer interview at a specific time? Amok and Ivan will get online and stay, they'll make a game (since you cannot make chatrooms) and 1 or 2 mods will coordinate the questions asked via pm and developers will answer in a form of a political press conference. It'd be most useful in a way of seeing their plans, suggesting new things and checking how the game will go.
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I think its a good idea, we'll see if Ivan and/or Amok are interested, and have some time to do this. If they agree people can PM questions ahead of time also. And even if the timing doesnt work out live, they could issue a written interview.
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If you could put this as a suggestion to plan the assembly times ahead on the private forum I assume you have it'd be great to see this happening.
---- Afterwind Summer 1v1 Tournament Final Victory With music and annotation Afterwind Autumn/Winter 2v2 Tournament Final Victory Only music this time
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How about A livestream?
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On the topic of infinite name-changes; There may exist people whose purchasing of Premium will be based upon, or affected by, the option of name-changing without SP fees and the freedom to change your name infinitely. By limiting or removing the latter, the game will be losing a source of income for no reason as players who are confused over a player's identity can check the former names section in his profile with 5 clicks.
---- Dinner. The imprisonment of arachnids.
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It would be just a minor fee, so that you can't rename yourself every 2 minutes, like 2-3k SP... Still a big advantage over non-premium players (10k).
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I was replying to ncm. And it would be good if admins come and say what's possible to implement and how, and what isn't, that way things would a lot more clear.
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