So.. Macedonian parliament

–►Macedonian elections
►Locked until majority formed
►Socialists unite with Albanian party
►Majority formed, albanian elected for speaker
►First thing he do, sing albanian anthem and promise albanian language will be official in Macedonia
►Parliament stormed
►No skilled protesters to throw good old smoke bomb like they always do in Kosovo parliament

Where's America to bomb Macedonia for albanian rights violation?

Let the games begin

Its even more funny when you realize that the albanian side and macedonian side have always had an agreement that whoever wins the most parliament seats
from both sides they go together to make a coalition and form a government , which has been the case since always except guess when ... yeah now.

You know how they elect the albanian speaker? Behind closed doors in the parliament the socalists and their coalitioning parties voted for speaker.
Not even reporters or anything allowed , without the other parties and no one even knows if they even had 61 MPs there (because not all of the socalists could agree to that).

The promises they make are funny. Somalia going to Mars is more likely than their Constitutional changes that they promised which also require
2/3rd's of the parliament to agree , support which they will never get .
Also even if they do try to make something like that , this time not just storming the parliament , it probably wont even be around anymore to be stormed

Skrivet av Ghostface, 24.06.2017 at 09:15

Its even more funny when you realize that the albanian side and macedonian side have always had an agreement that whoever wins the most parliament seats
from both sides they go together to make a coalition and form a government , which has been the case since always except guess when ... yeah now.

So what's the point with MULTI-party system and ELECTIONS if you end up with coalition at the end anyway? I thought the point is to have diversity to choose from, policies, laws and plans?

Skrivet av Ghostface, 24.06.2017 at 09:15

You know how they elect the albanian speaker? Behind closed doors in the parliament the socalists and their coalitioning parties voted for speaker.
Not even reporters or anything allowed , without the other parties and no one even knows if they even had 61 MPs there (because not all of the socalists could agree to that).

Yep, sounds like neo-democracy, no transparency. They make a backyard deals and then showthemselves as opposition in the public.

Skrivet av Ghostface, 24.06.2017 at 09:15

The promises they make are funny. Somalia going to Mars is more likely than their Constitutional changes that they promised which also require
2/3rd's of the parliament to agree , support which they will never get .
Also even if they do try to make something like that , this time not just storming the parliament , it probably wont even be around anymore to be stormed

Why constitutional changes need parliament, isn't it better to have a nationwide referendum for such important things? Why allow 100-500 people to decide it?

Skrivet av Skanderbeg, 24.06.2017 at 12:08

Skrivet av Ghostface, 24.06.2017 at 09:15

Its even more funny when you realize that the albanian side and macedonian side have always had an agreement that whoever wins the most parliament seats
from both sides they go together to make a coalition and form a government , which has been the case since always except guess when ... yeah now.

So what's the point with MULTI-party system and ELECTIONS if you end up with coalition at the end anyway? I thought the point is to have diversity to choose from, policies, laws and plans?

Skrivet av Ghostface, 24.06.2017 at 09:15

You know how they elect the albanian speaker? Behind closed doors in the parliament the socalists and their coalitioning parties voted for speaker.
Not even reporters or anything allowed , without the other parties and no one even knows if they even had 61 MPs there (because not all of the socalists could agree to that).

Yep, sounds like neo-democracy, no transparency. They make a backyard deals and then showthemselves as opposition in the public.

Skrivet av Ghostface, 24.06.2017 at 09:15

The promises they make are funny. Somalia going to Mars is more likely than their Constitutional changes that they promised which also require
2/3rd's of the parliament to agree , support which they will never get .
Also even if they do try to make something like that , this time not just storming the parliament , it probably wont even be around anymore to be stormed

Why constitutional changes need parliament, isn't it better to have a nationwide referendum for such important things? Why allow 100-500 people to decide it?

There is both a referendum and parlamentaries to decide on actions..but most of the time the prime minister(if he agrees with the parlamentaries) can make constitution chages IF he gets mandate from the president..
Idk why he would need that since the prime minister is kind of above the president.
It is neo-democracy,they allow coalitions between parties so anyone can win them if they plan on doing so.
It has happened now 2 parties that had a minority (social democratis and an albanian party) to do coalition to and get a very very thin majority...
And what ends up happening is they start singing albanian hymn in parlament

They are not socialists, they are foreign agents, usually nationals that report directly to Washington and in some cases, London and Berlin. Albania is being used by these powers to serve their interests by creating instability in the region, thats not new.

The game is rigged.

Mfw
Tito supports serbs in Bosnia
But doesn't Albanians in Macedonia.
While it is fag move to song Albanian anthem it's also fag move not to have Albanian as official language.

Skrivet av Black Swans, 24.06.2017 at 15:46

While it is fag move to song Albanian anthem it's also fag move not to have Albanian as official language.

Why the fuck should a non-albanian country have albanian as official language?Why?

So Albanians can steal it later once they multiply with their 5 fertility rate, just like they did in Kosovo?

Or exactly like you bosniaks did when you stole Bosnia from Serbs and Croats?

Parasites. I hate you.

Skrivet av Khal.eesi, 24.06.2017 at 16:03

Skrivet av Black Swans, 24.06.2017 at 15:46

While it is fag move to song Albanian anthem it's also fag move not to have Albanian as official language.

Why the fuck should a non-albanian country have albanian as official language?Why?

So Albanians can steal it later once they multiply with their 5 fertility rate, just like they did in Kosovo?

Or exactly like you bosniaks did when you stole Bosnia from Serbs and Croats?

Parasites. I hate you.

i still cant understand why albanian is elected as speaker in macedonia.....
I thought all balkanian nations actually ignored albania

Skrivet av Free_Warrior, 24.06.2017 at 16:06

i still cant understand why albanian is elected as speaker in macedonia.....
I thought all balkanian nations actually ignored albania

Every single Balkanian nation hates Albanians and you know why? Because they are just souhern slavs that accepted a different barbaric religion and culture. They just dont fit in anymore, its as simple as that. And thats what makes them the best pawns for USA to stir shit and instability in the region.

So my opinion is that Albanians and Macedonians have no real power, or say in the issue. These are decisions made by the big powers (USA, UK, Germany) who are pulling the strings, Macedonians are being fucked in the ass atm.

Skrivet av Khal.eesi, 24.06.2017 at 16:15

Skrivet av Free_Warrior, 24.06.2017 at 16:06

i still cant understand why albanian is elected as speaker in macedonia.....
I thought all balkanian nations actually ignored albania

Every single Balkanian nation hates Albanians and you know why? Because they are just souhern slavs that accepted a different barbaric religion and culture. They just dont fit in anymore, its as simple as that. And thats what makes them the best pawns for USA to stir shit and instability in the region.

So my opinion is that Albanians and Macedonians have no real power, or say in the issue. These are decisions made by the big powers (USA, UK, Germany) who are pulling the strings, Macedonians are being fucked in the ass atm.

albania was a soviet/communist hermetic regime, usa isn't supposed to be an enemy of that shit?
Also I understand what you are trying to express, while most balkanians fought for their independence, this nation just accepted to be a simple province.

Skrivet av Free_Warrior, 24.06.2017 at 16:20

albania was a soviet/communist hermetic regime, usa isn't supposed to be an enemy of that shit?
Also I understand what you are trying to express, while most balkanians fought for their independence, this nation just accepted to be a simple province.

Albania ditched communism pretty fast, it is 100% controlled by the West, a relationship that benefits both parties honestly, because Albania got funding, protection, modernization and even lands from this relationship. The thing is there used to be great "Albanian" heroes that gave their life to protect Balkans from the Ottoman intruders, but they got fucked by history. What we call Albania today, isnt even a real country with dinstinct people and history, in essence, they are just Slavic people that accepted the Ottoman way of life.

Skrivet av Free_Warrior, 24.06.2017 at 16:20

Skrivet av Khal.eesi, 24.06.2017 at 16:15

Skrivet av Free_Warrior, 24.06.2017 at 16:06

i still cant understand why albanian is elected as speaker in macedonia.....
I thought all balkanian nations actually ignored albania

Every single Balkanian nation hates Albanians and you know why? Because they are just souhern slavs that accepted a different barbaric religion and culture. They just dont fit in anymore, its as simple as that. And thats what makes them the best pawns for USA to stir shit and instability in the region.

So my opinion is that Albanians and Macedonians have no real power, or say in the issue. These are decisions made by the big powers (USA, UK, Germany) who are pulling the strings, Macedonians are being fucked in the ass atm.

albania was a soviet/communist hermetic regime, usa isn't supposed to be an enemy of that shit?
Also I understand what you are trying to express, while most balkanians fought for their independence, this nation just accepted to be a simple province.

Dude is talking nonsense

Skrivet av Khal.eesi, 24.06.2017 at 16:30

Skrivet av Free_Warrior, 24.06.2017 at 16:20

albania was a soviet/communist hermetic regime, usa isn't supposed to be an enemy of that shit?
Also I understand what you are trying to express, while most balkanians fought for their independence, this nation just accepted to be a simple province.

Albania ditched communism pretty fast, it is 100% controlled by the West, a relationship that benefits both parties honestly, because Albania got funding, protection, modernization and even lands from this relationship. The thing is there used to be great "Albanian" heroes that gave their life to protect Balkans from the Ottoman intruders, but they got fucked by history. What we call Albania today, isnt even a real country with dinstinct people and history, in essence, they are just Slavic people that accepted the Ottoman way of life.

What do you mean by lands from this relationship?
The only thing i see here and in internet are albanians very proud of their country, I dont know much about that country but I know that it's poor, that they had a crazy dictator who built 300.000 bunkers for 3 million population and that they're similar to turkish.

Skrivet av Free_Warrior, 24.06.2017 at 16:41

Skrivet av Khal.eesi, 24.06.2017 at 16:30

Skrivet av Free_Warrior, 24.06.2017 at 16:20

albania was a soviet/communist hermetic regime, usa isn't supposed to be an enemy of that shit?
Also I understand what you are trying to express, while most balkanians fought for their independence, this nation just accepted to be a simple province.

Albania ditched communism pretty fast, it is 100% controlled by the West, a relationship that benefits both parties honestly, because Albania got funding, protection, modernization and even lands from this relationship. The thing is there used to be great "Albanian" heroes that gave their life to protect Balkans from the Ottoman intruders, but they got fucked by history. What we call Albania today, isnt even a real country with dinstinct people and history, in essence, they are just Slavic people that accepted the Ottoman way of life.

What do you mean by lands from this relationship?
The only thing i see here and in internet are albanians very proud of their country, I dont know much about that country but I know that it's poor, that they had a crazy dictator who built 300.000 bunkers for 3 million population and that they're similar to turkish.

Yes the nationalism is extreme, very typical of an underdeveloped, made-up country thats being used by the bigger powers. When i said lands, i meant Kosovo, a part of Serbia that Albania stole with the help of American led NATO and offcourse theres more to see. Northern Greece and Macedonia are next on Albania's wishlist, again with the blessings of USA.

Skrivet av Khal.eesi, 24.06.2017 at 16:45

Skrivet av Free_Warrior, 24.06.2017 at 16:41

Skrivet av Khal.eesi, 24.06.2017 at 16:30

Skrivet av Free_Warrior, 24.06.2017 at 16:20

albania was a soviet/communist hermetic regime, usa isn't supposed to be an enemy of that shit?
Also I understand what you are trying to express, while most balkanians fought for their independence, this nation just accepted to be a simple province.

Albania ditched communism pretty fast, it is 100% controlled by the West, a relationship that benefits both parties honestly, because Albania got funding, protection, modernization and even lands from this relationship. The thing is there used to be great "Albanian" heroes that gave their life to protect Balkans from the Ottoman intruders, but they got fucked by history. What we call Albania today, isnt even a real country with dinstinct people and history, in essence, they are just Slavic people that accepted the Ottoman way of life.

What do you mean by lands from this relationship?
The only thing i see here and in internet are albanians very proud of their country, I dont know much about that country but I know that it's poor, that they had a crazy dictator who built 300.000 bunkers for 3 million population and that they're similar to turkish.

Yes the nationalism is extreme, very typical of an underdeveloped, made-up country thats being used by the bigger powers. When i said lands, i meant Kosovo, a part of Serbia that Albania stole with the help of American led NATO and offcourse theres more to see. Northern Greece and Macedonia are next on Albania's wishlist, again with the blessings of USA.

Kosovo War was useless, Kosovo today has became poorer, dependent on economic aid, and an important number of their citizens are fleeing to get a better life, i would prefere Kosovo as Serbian province rather than an underdeveloped, poor and unstable country like it's today.
About Northern Greece and Macedonia I don't know but it seems that Greece is too big to be eaten and Macedonia is a small country so it can be easily influenced by other bigger countries.

Skrivet av Black Swans, 24.06.2017 at 15:46

Mfw
Tito supports serbs in Bosnia
But doesn't Albanians in Macedonia.
While it is fag move to song Albanian anthem it's also fag move not to have Albanian as official language.

Why wouldn't you support a native people in their country? Serbs are natives in Bosnia just like Macedonians are native in Macedonia. Also, migrants have to obey the laws of the country they are in, what's wrong with that?

I am naturally against migrants who settle then start a war to change laws and create new ones that suits only them.

No one complain about LEGAL migrants.

Skrivet av Black Swans, 24.06.2017 at 15:46

Mfw
Tito supports serbs in Bosnia
But doesn't Albanians in Macedonia.
While it is fag move to song Albanian anthem it's also fag move not to have Albanian as official language.

Macedonia isn't like bosnia,neither a federation, neither are the Albanian minority over 30%.. comparing to bosnia where 30% are serbs 20% croats..
its already a recognized minority language and its almost like its official in the north-west part where the Kosovo migrants came from in 1999...

Skrivet av 4nic, 24.06.2017 at 18:51

Skrivet av Black Swans, 24.06.2017 at 15:46

Mfw
Tito supports serbs in Bosnia
But doesn't Albanians in Macedonia.
While it is fag move to song Albanian anthem it's also fag move not to have Albanian as official language.

Macedonia isn't like bosnia,neither a federation, neither are the Albanian minority over 30%.. comparing to bosnia where 30% are serbs 20% croats..
its already a recognized minority language and its almost like its official in the north-east part where the Kosovo migrants came from in 1999...

Bosnia isn't federation or confederation.
When was your last census?
You mean north-west?

Skrivet av Skanderbeg, 24.06.2017 at 18:13

Skrivet av Black Swans, 24.06.2017 at 15:46

Mfw
Tito supports serbs in Bosnia
But doesn't Albanians in Macedonia.
While it is fag move to song Albanian anthem it's also fag move not to have Albanian as official language.

Why wouldn't you support a native people in their country? Serbs are natives in Bosnia just like Macedonians are native in Macedonia. Also, migrants have to obey the laws of the country they are in, what's wrong with that?

I am naturally against migrants who settle then start a war to change laws and create new ones that suits only them.

No one complain about LEGAL migrants.

That way of thinking is probably the reason serbs lost Kosovo
Ps. Serbs are native to Bosnia, same way blacks are to america

Skrivet av Guest, 24.06.2017 at 18:28

The only relevant piece of land in the Balkans is Bosnia

Slovenia and Vojvodina are irrelevant piece of land? xD
Bosni is just mountains + stupid people xd

Skrivet av Black Swans, 24.06.2017 at 19:30

Skrivet av 4nic, 24.06.2017 at 18:51

Skrivet av Black Swans, 24.06.2017 at 15:46

Mfw
Tito supports serbs in Bosnia
But doesn't Albanians in Macedonia.
While it is fag move to song Albanian anthem it's also fag move not to have Albanian as official language.

Macedonia isn't like bosnia,neither a federation, neither are the Albanian minority over 30%.. comparing to bosnia where 30% are serbs 20% croats..
its already a recognized minority language and its almost like its official in the north-east part where the Kosovo migrants came from in 1999...

Bosnia isn't federation or confederation.
When was your last census?
You mean north-west?

yeah I meant west oops..
last census was 2001 i think

In Romania there is the same.
Social Democrats got the majority of seats in Parliament at last election.
But, I think that in order for their law projects to pass faster in Parliament they did a parliamentary union with the Union of Hungarians from Romania who got some seats too at last elections.
Also, Socials Democrats formed a governmental alliance with the Alliance of Democrats and Liberals. I guess, because these fellas have among their ranks ppl experienced in governing, who held positions be4.
So its not something you see only in Macedonia.

However, here we got an ok oposition. It is consisted of the National Liberals and of Union Save Romania. But I think these 2 didn't unite in their opposition so opposition is pretty divided.

Skrivet av Guest, 24.06.2017 at 18:28

The only relevant piece of land in the Balkans is Bosnia

How about Croatia or Serbia?

Skrivet av Guest, 25.06.2017 at 06:09

Skrivet av Free_Warrior, 25.06.2017 at 06:05

Skrivet av Guest, 24.06.2017 at 18:28

The only relevant piece of land in the Balkans is Bosnia

How about Croatia or Serbia?

would rather sit on a cactus and eat a dick while having my eyes plucked out by a crow

Croatia is very beautiful and it's in the EU....

Skrivet av Black Swans, 24.06.2017 at 19:32

That way of thinking is probably the reason serbs lost Kosovo
Ps. Serbs are native to Bosnia, same way blacks are to america

It's not thinking that made Serbia lose Kosovo, but America lol, when they sent Martti Ahtisaari to threat Serbia to carpet bomb its capital city which would leave 1.5 million dead (after NATO invasion failed).

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/18053/did-nobel-peace-prize-winner-martti-ahtisaari-threaten-to-bomb-belgrade-and-ki

'P.S.'
Serbians and Croatians are native to Bosnia since 700-800ad, until 1500 when Turks(you) arrived and multiplied +10, so now you have 2 million population and others have million and 500,000



Problem is, Turks who settle their colonies, learn to speak native language, for easier life, so they learned Serbian-Croatian. So now after 500 years, you speak Serbian-Croatian but your religion is Islam and you are confused, you don't know if you are Turk or Slav so you invent some quasi nation to fool yourself. It's ok, that happened to Estonia as well, you are simply culturally confused.

Skrivet av Skanderbeg, 25.06.2017 at 07:17

Skrivet av Black Swans, 24.06.2017 at 19:32

That way of thinking is probably the reason serbs lost Kosovo
Ps. Serbs are native to Bosnia, same way blacks are to america

It's not thinking that made Serbia lose Kosovo, but America lol, when they sent Martti Ahtisaari to threat Serbia to carpet bomb its capital city which would leave 1.5 million dead (after NATO invasion failed).

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/18053/did-nobel-peace-prize-winner-martti-ahtisaari-threaten-to-bomb-belgrade-and-ki

'P.S.'
Serbians and Croatians are native to Bosnia since 700-800ad, until 1500 when Turks(you) arrived and multiplied +10, so now you have 2 million population and others have million and 500,000



Problem is, Turks who settle their colonies, learn to speak native language, for easier life, so they learned Serbian-Croatian. So now after 500 years, you speak Serbian-Croatian but your religion is Islam and you are confused, you don't know if you are Turk or Slav so you invent some quasi nation to fool yourself. It's ok, that happened to Estonia as well, you are simply culturally confused.

Man, hardcore propaganda mixed with mythomania and probably some drugs and alcohol and you get tito.
It's pointless to argue with you cause when your arguments are proven wrong, you ignore it and go lie on another thread, that's how russian bots work, but here for people who might buy shit he is saying.

Serbs and croats aren't native and those people are serbized and croatized Bosniak catholics and Bosniak orthodox christians + Vlachs that are settled therer (thanks ottoman empire), there was whole guide on how that process should go written in book called "Načertanije" (guide for future generations, something like that) . It's written by Ilija Grašanin and some other, less important guys in 1844., it's first talk of "great serbia" process how they should take lands from Bosnia (+ herzegovina), Montenegro and north Albania (Kosovo and some other northern parts), and there is special paragraph in there that goes "In Bosnia lives Bosniaks of catholic's faith, of Muhammedan's faith and of our faith. We should by our ministers and propaganda make Bosniaks of our faith claim and express themselves as Serbs, Croats are already trying Croatization of Bosniak catholics, and if we don't take chance now, we might never have new again"

While Bosniaks of today are mostly muslim, they weren't in the past.Many of them preferred paganism and Bogumilism (dear to god [to distance themselves from church])

He also doesn't address Bosniaks not having right to declare themselves as such in Yugoslavia, nor killing and imprisonment of major Bosniak politicians who wanted rights for Bosniaks. While Bosniaks do share same religion with Turks, we certainly are not Turks.

About Bosnian language, it's enough to say that Bosnian-turkish dictionary, and Bosnian-arabic dictionary is older than first serbian (language) dictionary and that Vuk Karadžić as proper pronunciation took Bosnian way of pronouncing (ijekavica) and not as modern serbs use (ekavica)

Lmao someone actually believes bosniaks belong in the Balkans

Skrivet av Viruslegion, 25.06.2017 at 17:30

Lmao someone actually believes bosniaks belong in the Balkans

Yep, deluded migrants.

Bosnak is old latin name for inhabitants of Bosnia just like Slovak is inhabitant of Slovakia. It's slav name so you will find bunch of 'ak' at the end, but this guys are Ahmed, Mustafa, Mubadul, Aziz and they claim they are natives, that's epic.

Old latin word + noneuropean religion = new european nation. Voila.

Skrivet av 4nic, 24.06.2017 at 14:00

Skrivet av Skanderbeg, 24.06.2017 at 12:08

Skrivet av Ghostface, 24.06.2017 at 09:15

Skrivet av Ghostface, 24.06.2017 at 09:15

Skrivet av Ghostface, 24.06.2017 at 09:15

Oh yea this i forgot to mention. Although the prime minister is like almost the most politically powerful person in the country , the president does have some power besides
being the head of the army . He is the one that actually has to give the mandate to the person that is head of the party that wants to form the government to form the government
in the first place . He can also deny it . That's what happened here . The president denied the mandate and the crisis went on for some months until the leader of the socalists
that wanted to form the government handed in a guarantee that he will not in any way try to change the constitution or accept any of the demands from the albanian platform.