Nerf TB!

Because goblin deleted his thread because he got bullied and didnt wanted to be hated by the community. I decided to make this thread because I can't get more hated than I already am <3

NERF TB! 1 unit tbing 45+ stacks is just ridicilous..

I won't bully you, instead I'll give you the love you don't want to get from them

Anyway, where's the point for asking to nerf tb when it seems that old players want the old tb system, which was even more op? XD

Fuck the old players and the new ...generation 2012 rules.

Skrivet av RaulPB, 03.05.2015 at 14:16

I won't bully you, instead I'll give you the love you don't want to get from them

Anyway, where's the point for asking to nerf tb when it seems that old players want the old tb system, which was even more op? XD

FK tb in general. TB shouldn't be a big part of this game as it is now. Cw's/duel's/1v1s, I dont know about scenarios bcs i dont know if they even know how to tb (xaxaxaXAXAXAX ok jk) are lost or won due to TB not even skills just spam of shithole of units to avoid him moving a specific stack..

That moment when 1 unit tb 15 units 1st move

Skrivet av klevis, 03.05.2015 at 14:46

That moment when 1 unit tb 15 units 1st move

i think ur hacks! ;o

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 14:55

Skrivet av klevis, 03.05.2015 at 14:46

That moment when 1 unit tb 15 units 1st move

i think ur hacks! ;o

i see u like when mou cry 2

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 14:44

FK tb in general. TB shouldn't be a big part of this game as it is now. Cw's/duel's/1v1s, I dont know about scenarios bcs i dont know if they even know how to tb (xaxaxaXAXAXAX ok jk) are lost or won due to TB not even skills just spam of shithole of units to avoid him moving a specific stack..

You just say that cause you never get to tb cause you don't know how, therefor you end up crying everytime that happens... I don't support taking down the tb system at all, there would be no more cries about it!!! That would be too fucking sad!

Besides, it's coooooooool

Skrivet av RaulPB, 03.05.2015 at 15:46

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 14:44

FK tb in general. TB shouldn't be a big part of this game as it is now. Cw's/duel's/1v1s, I dont know about scenarios bcs i dont know if they even know how to tb (xaxaxaXAXAXAX ok jk) are lost or won due to TB not even skills just spam of shithole of units to avoid him moving a specific stack..

You just say that cause you never get to tb cause you don't know how, therefor you end up crying everytime that happens... I don't support taking down the tb system at all, there would be no more cries about it!!! That would be too fucking sad!

Besides, it's coooooooool

My tb work pretty much. But its not fair.

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 15:55

My tb work pretty much. But its not fair.

Omg... what have you done!? The dark side has captured your soul! All hail the tbs and all those tears dropped cuase of them!

Skrivet av RaulPB, 03.05.2015 at 17:42

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 15:55

My tb work pretty much. But its not fair.

Omg... what have you done!? The dark side has captured your soul! All hail the tbs and all those tears dropped cuase of them!

lmao

Skrivet av Goblin, 03.05.2015 at 14:39

Fuck the old players and the new ...generation 2012 rules.

this^

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 14:08

Because goblin deleted his thread because he got bullied and didnt wanted to be hated by the community. I decided to make this thread because I can't get more hated than I already am <3

NERF TB! 1 unit tbing 45+ stacks is just ridicilous..

meh i actually killed 25 units in trans, so it was not basically tb,
learn2prioritize

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 15:55

Skrivet av RaulPB, 03.05.2015 at 15:46

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 14:44

FK tb in general. TB shouldn't be a big part of this game as it is now. Cw's/duel's/1v1s, I dont know about scenarios bcs i dont know if they even know how to tb (xaxaxaXAXAXAX ok jk) are lost or won due to TB not even skills just spam of shithole of units to avoid him moving a specific stack..

You just say that cause you never get to tb cause you don't know how, therefor you end up crying everytime that happens... I don't support taking down the tb system at all, there would be no more cries about it!!! That would be too fucking sad!

Besides, it's coooooooool

My tb work pretty much. But its not fair.

lies, you were begging me to teach you tb-s and when i refused you opened a cry thread

Skrivet av Guest, 03.05.2015 at 23:37

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 15:55

Skrivet av RaulPB, 03.05.2015 at 15:46

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 14:44

FK tb in general. TB shouldn't be a big part of this game as it is now. Cw's/duel's/1v1s, I dont know about scenarios bcs i dont know if they even know how to tb (xaxaxaXAXAXAX ok jk) are lost or won due to TB not even skills just spam of shithole of units to avoid him moving a specific stack..

You just say that cause you never get to tb cause you don't know how, therefor you end up crying everytime that happens... I don't support taking down the tb system at all, there would be no more cries about it!!! That would be too fucking sad!

Besides, it's coooooooool

My tb work pretty much. But its not fair.

lies, you were begging me to teach you tb-s and when i refused you opened a cry thread

xa i asked you to tell me about tb mechanics yeah. Still doesn't mean it isnt OP. ;$

Skrivet av Guest, 03.05.2015 at 23:37

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 15:55

Skrivet av RaulPB, 03.05.2015 at 15:46

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 14:44

FK tb in general. TB shouldn't be a big part of this game as it is now. Cw's/duel's/1v1s, I dont know about scenarios bcs i dont know if they even know how to tb (xaxaxaXAXAXAX ok jk) are lost or won due to TB not even skills just spam of shithole of units to avoid him moving a specific stack..

You just say that cause you never get to tb cause you don't know how, therefor you end up crying everytime that happens... I don't support taking down the tb system at all, there would be no more cries about it!!! That would be too fucking sad!

Besides, it's coooooooool

My tb work pretty much. But its not fair.

lies, you were begging me to teach you tb-s and when i refused you opened a cry thread

xa i asked you to tell me about tb mechanics yeah. Still doesn't mean it isnt OP. ;$

Skrivet av Waffel, 04.05.2015 at 04:04

Skrivet av Guest, 03.05.2015 at 23:37

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 15:55

Skrivet av RaulPB, 03.05.2015 at 15:46

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 14:44

FK tb in general. TB shouldn't be a big part of this game as it is now. Cw's/duel's/1v1s, I dont know about scenarios bcs i dont know if they even know how to tb (xaxaxaXAXAXAX ok jk) are lost or won due to TB not even skills just spam of shithole of units to avoid him moving a specific stack..

You just say that cause you never get to tb cause you don't know how, therefor you end up crying everytime that happens... I don't support taking down the tb system at all, there would be no more cries about it!!! That would be too fucking sad!

Besides, it's coooooooool

My tb work pretty much. But its not fair.

lies, you were begging me to teach you tb-s and when i refused you opened a cry thread

xa i asked you to tell me about tb mechanics yeah. Still doesn't mean it isnt OP. ;$

you didn't ask me for tb mechanics, you said that you knew them, you just wanted to learn tb-s at same level i do, you were begging me for 3 days. So you say that tb-s are not fair and still you want to use *unfair* tactics, that says that you just want tb-s nerfed so you will have more chance to win, and nothing more. stop saying nonsense that it is unfair. you just say it for your private reasons, becuz you can't use it well you prefer it to be removed, you want this for your private amusement

Skrivet av Guest, 04.05.2015 at 05:16

Skrivet av Waffel, 04.05.2015 at 04:04

Skrivet av Guest, 03.05.2015 at 23:37

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 15:55

Skrivet av RaulPB, 03.05.2015 at 15:46

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 14:44

FK tb in general. TB shouldn't be a big part of this game as it is now. Cw's/duel's/1v1s, I dont know about scenarios bcs i dont know if they even know how to tb (xaxaxaXAXAXAX ok jk) are lost or won due to TB not even skills just spam of shithole of units to avoid him moving a specific stack..

You just say that cause you never get to tb cause you don't know how, therefor you end up crying everytime that happens... I don't support taking down the tb system at all, there would be no more cries about it!!! That would be too fucking sad!

Besides, it's coooooooool

My tb work pretty much. But its not fair.

lies, you were begging me to teach you tb-s and when i refused you opened a cry thread

xa i asked you to tell me about tb mechanics yeah. Still doesn't mean it isnt OP. ;$

you didn't ask me for tb mechanics, you said that you knew them, you just wanted to learn tb-s at same level i do, you were begging me for 3 days. So you say that tb-s are not fair and still you want to use *unfair* tactics, that says that you just want tb-s nerfed so you will have more chance to win, and nothing more. stop saying nonsense that it is unfair. you just say it for your private reasons, becuz you can't use it well you prefer it to be removed, you want this for your private amusement

Bro if I want a tb to happen it works 9 out of 10 times. I dont know what crap you are talking about now. Go ask eagle in our 3 duels we had, none of my tbs which meant to be a tb has been failed. I just asked you how you tbed, and if you could teach me how you did it. This was the first time, after that I just started to troll you just like yesterday xD. Anyways I knew you would be butthurt because of this subject

As for ''my private reasons'' please dont start it, all of you blitz users all care about own private reasons thats why u guys cried aw's ears out when blitz got nerfed lolz.

How about this? In determining turn-block strength, the number of units squared is divided by the move order. So if first move 5 unit stack tries to turn-block first move 50 unit stack, the probability of successful turn-block is not one tenth, but rather one percent.

Skrivet av International, 04.05.2015 at 05:25

How about this? In determining turn-block strength, the number of units squared is divided by the move order. So if first move 5 unit stack tries to turn-block first move 50 unit stack, the probability of successful turn-block is not one tenth, but rather one percent.

Nah, too nerfed...
No tb, no pain = no gain.

Skrivet av Waffel, 03.05.2015 at 14:08

Because goblin deleted his thread because he got bullied and didnt wanted to be hated by the community. I decided to make this thread because I can't get more hated than I already am <3

NERF TB! 1 unit tbing 45+ stacks is just ridicilous..

Do not share

Skrivet av RaulPB, 04.05.2015 at 06:39

Skrivet av International, 04.05.2015 at 05:25

How about this? In determining turn-block strength, the number of units squared is divided by the move order. So if first move 5 unit stack tries to turn-block first move 50 unit stack, the probability of successful turn-block is not one tenth, but rather one percent.

Nah, too nerfed...
No tb, no pain = no gain.

It doesn't really destroy the turn-block mechanic, though. If you attack 50 units with 50 units, the turn-block probability is still 50%. No change from the current system. It just makes the game more sensible by reducing the probability that a large stack of units will be turn-blocked by a small stack of units and also increasing the probability that a small stack of units will be turn-blocked by a large stack.

Now I come to think about it, though, it's probably better to just write a more sophisticated turn-block system that doesn't require a random number generator at all.

Skrivet av Goblin, 04.05.2015 at 07:58

Skrivet av Permamuted, 04.05.2015 at 07:07

On one hand youve people wanting the return of the old tb system, a much more punishing version of this one, on the other hand youve people wanting to go in the opposite direction almost completely cutting out the effects of tbs in game altogether

Ok so you have:

• old players who don't even play anymore who talk about old system with nostalgia
• people including me who want the tb system to be less luck based with determined effective amount of units that should have a chance at all to tb a stack ...not my stack of 16 who i moved 4 times as first move to be blocked 4 times by 1 unit
• people who actually think they understand the tb's and act pro even tho its all based on luck and they are only attacking everything with 1 unit as first moves ...and they say stupid crap like i discovered tb's as rank 5 ...

So whats the problem Lao ...why is it weird that there are 3 sides of this? Because your post looks like Waffel or me are asking for old and something new at the same time.

Who said we want to remove tb's altogether? ...why you do this ...why you change the subject of the topic, accusing us of saying something we didn't say and then we have to have 10 pages of a thread arguing about something no one said

I'm not a noob and i wasn't playing a top player yet i couldn't move for 4 turns because 1 unit attacks seem to be 100% effective, and they seem to pull other non-tb'd units with them.

P.S. Soldier ...why i say your rank 5 discovering tb's is dumb ...because pretty much everyone knows about tb's as soon as they start playing. But you sure as hell didn't use it on a massive scale or anyone for that matter until recently ...and thats why we couldn't have known how much luck based bullshit can come from tb's used constantly at every turn using small amount of units which shouldn't be able to tb much bigger stacks.

erm ok i take back my post then, sheesh. When i said "people" i was referring to other posters in this thread because theyre people too believe it or not , Specifically international whose proposal would seriously weaken the effects of tbs on a game.

i dunno what happened to you gob in that game, i can only take your word and assume either you encountered a bug or some serious bad luck. i can only suggest you go out and buy a lotto ticket(and wire me some funds as a thanks for the suggestion if you win).

Skrivet av Permamuted, 04.05.2015 at 08:10

erm ok i take back my post then, sheesh. When i said "people" i was referring to other posters in this thread because theyre people too believe it or not , Specifically international whose proposal would seriously weaken the effects of tbs on a game.

i dunno what happened to you gob in that game, i can only take your word and assume either you encountered a bug or some serious bad luck. i can only suggest you go out and buy a lotto ticket(and wire me some funds as a thanks for the suggestion if you win).

Why does everyone think my proposal will seriously weaken turn-blocks? It only reduces turn-block chance if the attacking unit stack is smaller than the defending unit stack. If it is bigger, it will actually increase the turn-block chance.

That way, if you feel like turn-blocking an enemy stack, you actually have to send a decent number of units.

Skrivet av Permamuted, 04.05.2015 at 08:19

the math of what you described isnt very clear, what exactly are you proposing

" In determining turn-block strength, the number of units squared is divided by the move order."

this doesnt make sense, the number of defending units or attacking?

Both.

So, for example, let's say a 6 unit stack (second move) tries to turn-block a 25 unit stack (fifth move),
The turn-block chance would be 0.5 * (6^2 /2) / (25^2 /5) = 7.2%. Note how the unit counts (6 and 25) are both squared.
If you're significantly outnumbered by your enemy, the chances of you successfully turn-blocking your enemy is remote, even if you're ahead on turn order.

Let's assume again that a 15 unit stack (first move) tries to turn-block a 10 unit stack (also first move).
The turn-block chance would be 0.5 * (15^2 /1) / (10^2 /1) = 112.5% (100%).
If you significantly outnumber your enemy (militia spam?!?), the chances of you successfully turn-blocking your enemy is very high, unless you're seriously behind on turn order.

But as I said, in retrospect, this doesn't sound like such a good idea. I'd rather have a turn-blocking algorithm that doesn't rely on a random number generator.

Walls...

I want minimum number percentage acquired for the tb chance to even start calculating ...i propose 1/4 of opponents units.
Wanna have a chance at blocking 40 units? ...you have to send at least 10 in order for AW to even consider the block.

Blocking now is ridiculous, when i can tb a huge stack with 1 unit and on the other hand ...sometimes opponents stack of 15 for example evades my stack of 50 with no problems for several turns.
Disclaimer: all based on priority moves being first from both sides.

Another disclaimer: this isn't a cry ...this is me realizing that rage of many people was justified when i started doing this kind of bullshit and blocking them with 1 unit.

Skrivet av dinoscout, 04.05.2015 at 08:34

Walls...

Yea ...because whats a wall fuck.

Skrivet av Goblin, 04.05.2015 at 08:40

I want minimum number percentage acquired for the tb chance to even start calculating ...i propose 1/4 of opponents units.
Wanna have a chance at blocking 40 units? ...you have to send at least 10 in order for AW to even consider the block.

Blocking now is ridiculous, when i can tb a huge stack with 1 unit and on the other hand ...sometimes opponents stack of 15 for example evades my stack of 50 with no problems for several turns.
Disclaimer: all based on priority moves being first from both sides.

Another disclaimer: this isn't a cry ...this is me realizing that rage of many people was justified when i started doing this kind of bullshit and blocking them with 1 unit.

Skrivet av dinoscout, 04.05.2015 at 08:34

Walls...

Yea ...because whats a wall fuck.

Mabye something like 5 units required to tb 20+ units, otherwise its normal

Leave tb !!! tb my best friend xD

Skrivet av dinoscout, 04.05.2015 at 10:22

Mabye something like 5 units required to tb 20+ units, otherwise its normal

Normal? ...is it normal for a military division to get blocked by a squad.

@Ferrluci ...this isn't tb removal proposal, its lets increase turn blocking value by making it a strategical, brain using move instead of assaulting everything with 1 unit getting lucky and then claiming to be tb master.