Testing if quantity influences in surviving units in Sky Menace

Hey guys. Here's a quick experiment.

I placed 8 stacks of 8 SM bombers and 4 stacks of 100 bombers (can't add more than 500 units, sadly) against 16 stacks of 8 neutral infantry.





Calculating units lost:

8 starting stack	100 starting stack
5	2
4	5
4	3
6	2
6	x
8	x
6	x
6	x

Average units lost:
8 unit stacks: 5.625
100 unit stacks: 3

Great, i was going to do something like this myself after clovis posted what amok said in the other thread. I've been using this mechanic to my advantage as various strats for a long time. Good to see solid evidence posted of its existence. Amok has some explaining to do now :S

However, whatever this is(unknown mechanic or bug), i like it, it adds to the skill curve. ie stacking inf/miltia behind sm bombers to conserve bombers, using tanks as imp stacked in front of the inf to conserve them, defending a target with a large stack to conserve units lost etc.

I would like to see it identified, but not removed/fixed.

Full support, why should u lose more troops by sending 8 units instead of 100.

The more units, the better the rolls

It is more realistic tho... just saying.

It just reinforces attrition warfare

Realistic but bad for gameplay imo.

So it appears that I myself don't fully know how atWar works anymore.
But anyway, sorry for causing the confusion. I've gone through the battle algorithm once again and yes (as Pulse had just proven, thanks), the rolls are indeed influenced by the combined strength and number of units. Honest mistake on my part, pls no conspiracies

EDIT:
Oh and what the hell, guys, don't you read the news?

Nice farming.

Skrivet av Skittzophrenic, 06.08.2015 at 18:11

Nice farming.

Thanks

Skrivet av Amok, 06.08.2015 at 16:32

EDIT:
Oh and what the hell, guys, don't you read the news?

♥ the stack bonus .

Skrivet av brianwl, 07.08.2015 at 12:45

Skrivet av Amok, 06.08.2015 at 16:32

EDIT:
Oh and what the hell, guys, don't you read the news?

♥ the stack bonus .

wheres this mentioned?

Skrivet av Permamuted, 07.08.2015 at 13:01

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wheres this mentioned?

http://atwar-game.com/news/news.php?news_id=30 :

Stack bonus is back! Now bigger stacks of units have slight advantage in a battle.

Skrivet av Amok, 06.08.2015 at 16:32

So it appears that I myself don't fully know how atWar works anymore.
But anyway, sorry for causing the confusion. I've gone through the battle algorithm once again and yes (as Pulse had just proven, thanks), the rolls are indeed influenced by the combined strength and number of units. Honest mistake on my part, pls no conspiracies

EDIT:
Oh and what the hell, guys, don't you read the news?

Awesome! How does the bonus work exactly? That could help us in bigger battles (i.e. 180 x 130 units or something like that)

Skrivet av notserral, 08.08.2015 at 06:55

Awesome! How does the bonus work exactly? That could help us in bigger battles (i.e. 180 x 130 units or something like that)

It's really complicated the way it's calculated, but basically the more (att|def sum + units count) you have, the higher the chance of getting a bigger roll.

I have some questions, too...

When you say the more (att/def sum + units count)... do you mean it start from zero or it is the difference between your att/def and your opponent ones?

Would this mechanic benefit more:
A) 100 units with 4 attack each, making it 400 total attack.
B) 50 units with 8 attack each, making it 400 total attack.
C) Benefit both equal.

thanks in advance.

Skrivet av clovis1122, 08.08.2015 at 09:08

I have some questions, too...

When you say the more (att/def sum + units count)... do you mean it start from zero or it is the difference between your att/def and your opponent ones?

Would this mechanic benefit more:
A) 100 units with 4 attack each, making it 400 total attack.
B) 50 units with 8 attack each, making it 400 total attack.
C) Benefit both equal.

thanks in advance.

would say that 100 à 4 attack are stronger

Skrivet av Amok, 08.08.2015 at 08:23

It's really complicated the way it's calculated, but basically the more (att|def sum + units count) you have, the higher the chance of getting a bigger roll.

And it works for attacking and defending? And does not matter the size of the enemy stack?

That's quite unfortunate as we can't use, for example, 100 sky menace stealth bombers to kill 200 blitzkrieg bombers, since at those numbers it's usually 1:1, instead of 1:2 as it usually is against blitz.

Skrivet av Skittzophrenic, 06.08.2015 at 18:11

Nice farming.

Skrivet av clovis1122, 08.08.2015 at 09:08

I have some questions, too...

When you say the more (att/def sum + units count)... do you mean it start from zero or it is the difference between your att/def and your opponent ones?

Would this mechanic benefit more:
A) 100 units with 4 attack each, making it 400 total attack.
B) 50 units with 8 attack each, making it 400 total attack.
C) Benefit both equal.

thanks in advance.

If your troop's attacking, then it's a difference between the total attack + count of that troop and a total attack + count of defending troop. And vice versa.
(A) would perform better in your examples, because even though total attack is the same, the unit count is higher.

Skrivet av notserral, 08.08.2015 at 12:12

And it works for attacking and defending? And does not matter the size of the enemy stack?

That's quite unfortunate as we can't use, for example, 100 sky menace stealth bombers to kill 200 blitzkrieg bombers, since at those numbers it's usually 1:1, instead of 1:2 as it usually is against blitz.

The size does matter. As mentioned above, it's the (total att/def + size) that determines how powerful the troop is. Works the same for attacking and defending.

Skrivet av Amok, 10.08.2015 at 02:37

If your troop's attacking, then it's a difference between the total attack + count of that troop and a total attack + count of defending troop. And vice versa.
(A) would perform better in your examples, because even though total attack is the same, the unit count is higher.

I see, one last thing:

Since att/def are taken into account along with the unit size, I'd assume there should'be a case in which one player have more att/def, but the other have bigger unit size. Then, there should'be a proportion or conversion rate between those two variants...

One example: Which unit would the system benefit more?

Player A (attacking):
5 units.
Att: 40 (total), 8 (each).
HP: 40 (total), 8 (each).
Crit: 5%

Player B (defending):
10 units.
Def: 20 (total), 2 (each).
HP: 40 (total), 4 (each).
Crit: 5%

One player have half the other's att/def sum.
One player have half the other's units count.

In the game, having the unit's count advantage usually means to have the HP's advantage, but I've balanced it in this example. I'd also like to know if the benefit to each stack would change for 0.5x (half), 2x, 3x, 4x... the values.

Player A will have an advantage in your example. HP is not taken into account.
The way the roll multiplier is then calculated is really complicated and I believe I've already disclosed enough info to be able to predict the battle outcomes more accurately

Yup, thanks for the hints.