United States thingamajig again

Affirmative action is the belief that racism still exist throughout the nation that universities, businesses and other institutions must set aside a certain number of openings for minority groups other than whites. Advocates say this allows for minorities that would have otherwise have been rejected to be allowed to attend university or gain a job and gain equal footing in regards to moving forward in society. Those against the policy say the law is no longer needed as well as it is reverse discrimination against whites due to special privilege given to all except for whites. Affirmative action propels racism by continuing talking about an issue and playing a blame game as well as a race card to give preferential treatment to all accept whites which only adds to racial tensions.

Hit wrong button. Yes, affirmative action should be repealed. It is more like reverse-racism than anything else.

Skrivet av TheRiddler, 07.01.2015 at 17:15

Hit wrong button. Yes, affirmative action should be repealed. It is more like reverse-racism than anything else.

Affirmative Action itself is racist, assuming a certain race needs more help then the another is completely racist

Skrivet av Earthbound, 07.01.2015 at 18:49

Affirmative action should be based solely on income level rather than racial preferences although it's true that Hispanics and Blacks have a lower socioeconomic standing; Affirmative Action really discriminates against lower income whites more than anyone else.

The real problem is someone attending a top school system in some wealthy suburb, with all the extra help tutors ect, is obviously going to receive high test scores and better grades. A system that accounts for income gives credit to people who where able to succeed regardless of the neighborhood they grew up in the their position in society is preferable. I think what a lot of upper class Americans do not understand is how it feels to go to a failing school where your peers nor your teachers really care whether you succeed. Then, on top of all of that, going to a home that might not be stable or living in a neighborhood where you cant walk three blocks without worrying for you safety. Accounting for academic accomplishment under these circumstances deserves special treatment IMO.

I understand where you come from. I grew up in a low level area though my parents did save up enough money and we moved to a much better area. My old school district is failing under mounting loss in income from taxes, etc. I think what we need to change in our society the belief that if you don't go to college you cannot make it in life. While college certainly provides opportunities and support, you can still become successful without going there. there are a lot of avenues to take and that is something we need to work on in our society. Not everyone can go to college simply because they would not succeed there- and that's okay. I am against Affirmative Action as it limits the amount of spots available to whites (if x equals the amount of spots available and y equals those spots set aside, then x-y= the amount of spots available for myself. But this spot can still be taken by other ethnicities so it provides a disadvantage to myself simply because I am white). I come from a line of immigrants- my great grandparents did not have schooling but they bust their ass so that their children could become educated. The one thing schools need to stress is how people can succeed in life if you work hard. It;s wong for the government to say that minorities are too inept to get into college..... and if you are wealthy and have access to better education, why should you be denied a spot in college simply because of that? When was it that having successful parents was a bad thing?

I agree, that affirmitive action, how it was perceived at least, has no place in our age.Racial discrimination, is minimal in my opinion.Therefore i believe that affirmitive action should be applied, focusing on income and specific social categories, like transexuals, who still face discrimination.

Affirmative Action itself is based on the belief that there is racism- drew, do you feel that without it, minority groups would not be able to get into universities due to their race or income? From what you have said, it seems you lean more to the side of income. Affirmative Action does not take income into account, just race and ethnicity. This is why it should be repealed imo. Focusing on income would need to be a separate discussion and potentially a separate law; Affirmative Action is not about income but about race.

Skrivet av Earthbound, 07.01.2015 at 20:18

I agree it shouldn't exist on the basis race. Affirmative action was useful in 60's and 70's but not really now. I guess my point is that there will always be things beyond a persons control that will impact their success. It used to be race but now, more than ethnicity, it is your parents economic standing.

I can agree with that. But I still believe that anyone can become successful. Successful doesn't mean going to college, becoming rich, but at the very least, providing for yourself, your dependents, and preparing your children to one day attempt to do the same thing- try and try again. Capitalism is a hard system, democracy is a new system (a new system that has persisted unlike in the past). Life is hard and not everyone will have the same opportunites nor luck. That cannot be changed with a swift entrance of a law but simply through acceptance. There will always be poor people unfortunately, no amount of legislation will change that, but we can tr to help their situation through the creation of jobs and without dividing people between race, class, or ethnicity.

Skrivet av Pheonixking929, 08.01.2015 at 14:33

... But I still believe that anyone can become successful. ... There will always be poor people unfortunately, no amount of legislation will change that, but we can tr to help their situation through the creation of jobs and without dividing people between race, class, or ethnicity.

I agree with you - anyone can be successful... so how can you assume that there will 'always' be poor people. If it's the legislation that is deliberately limiting the amount of money available for poor people, i think the legislation itself is to blame for creating the problem, and so naturally i agree with you... no amount of legislation will create change.

That could explain why resource based societies without legislation don't tend to have poor people, and why governments are so opposed to them.

Skrivet av brianwl, 08.01.2015 at 15:11

Skrivet av Pheonixking929, 08.01.2015 at 14:33

... But I still believe that anyone can become successful. ... There will always be poor people unfortunately, no amount of legislation will change that, but we can tr to help their situation through the creation of jobs and without dividing people between race, class, or ethnicity.

I agree with you - anyone can be successful... so how can you assume that there will 'always' be poor people. If it's the legislation that is deliberately limiting the amount of money available for poor people, i think the legislation itself is to blame for creating the problem, and so naturally i agree with you... no amount of legislation will create change.

That could explain why resource based societies without legislation don't tend to have poor people, and why governments are so opposed to them.

i think you may have misread what I meant by poor. There will always be people with more stuff than others. The concept of poor is different based on different countries, societies, etc. Someone who is rich in a tribal area may not be rich in a modern nation. Someone poor in America could also be richer than someone in Kenya. hence, the "always". The belief that one day we will all have the same amount of money, necessities, material possessions, etc. is nothing but a philosophical dream in my mind.

What about having minimal necessities... say daily bread/water, humble shelter from rain/cold, maybe a 100 dollar tablet to communicate, research and learn, say hi to family. Is that really a dream? It would end any rational reason for anyone to complain.

Two things:

1. I think once again you may have misinterpreted (or I guess I am just not explaining it right o.0). When I mention there will always be poor is because there will never be a day in our life where everyone will have the same access to money. It's the unfortunate truth. The only way that culd possible happen is if everyone had a job and in todays world, everyone having a job just is not possible at this time. Saying things are one thing, accomplishing them is another.

2. Can you go into further explanation of what you mean by "rational reason for anyone to complain"? (Complain about what I might add)

If you have the necessities listed above (daily bread, basic shelter, etc.) you don't need money. If you don't need money, you can't be poor - this is using your own definition of poor => "access to money"

What i mean about complaining: 'people saying i don't have enough money.'

It is how most people justify their 'immoral/hurtful' actions because they need to 'put food on the table' for their family. That act of 'justifying' : "I did it because i didn't have the money to feed my family so i did what i have to do", is what fuels many anti-social behaviours, including racism.

So implied in this: If everyone had minimal necessities, you remove the justification for 'immoral/hurtful' actions. You expose the lie that people commit these 'immoral' acts for some 'noble' purpose such as feeding their family.

Once exposed, then it becomes nearly impossible to engage in acts of 'racism' ... what is the core root of racism? There are many factors that may be attributed to it, but at it's core, does it not come down to trust? - people don't trust those who or different... groups of people (races) trust their own group members more than 'outsiders'.

If this is the case, once you provide the necessities, you remove the source of the mistrust. Thereby removing the need for things like 'affirmative action' which are band-aids that never even touch the core problem, and in some cases, can agitate people further into resenting the 'minority' since they got a job because of their race.

Soz for double post, but you mentioned legislation could never solve the problem of poor people... this just handed to me.... apparently the swiss are trying at least:
basic income

No need to apologize, we all do it. When I said legislation can't solve that problem, I was referring to say Affirmative Action. The idea is it was going to solve racism by forcing universities, colleges, etc. to accept racial minorities that were discriminated against. unfortunately, many minority groups usually are poorer than whites due to historical reasons, etc. but legislation such as that doesn't solve the problem. It's just reverse discrimination and I do not believe that is right, Solving the core issue is improving education. Many intercity schools such as in Philadelphia, Los Angeles, etc. have issues from financial to racial issues. What we need is to invest in teachers, invest in our children, and invest in our future through job creation so when kids go to school, they get excited about learning, get excited about one day getting a job. Our welfare system has issues due to a minority that leeches the system. The vast majority I'm sure truly need it, again I am just pointing out some faults in our system. Obviously one law or one change isn't going to solve the problem, but it can certainly put us on the road to that goal.

The atomic bombing on Japan in my opinion were completely unnecessary to end the war, it brought a lot of misery, agony and mass destruction to population that was not responsible for the action of their army and government. And the idea that America had used its atomic weapons only to intimidate Russia is most stressful thought

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Skrivet av Abraham, 09.01.2015 at 03:24

The atomic bombing on Japan in my opinion were completely unnecessary to end the war, it brought a lot of misery, agony and mass destruction to population that was not responsible for the action of their army and government. And the idea that America had used its atomic weapons only to intimidate Russia is most stressful thought

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wtf! my post is in completely different thread