BLM Protests

Skrivet av AlBoZzZ, 08.07.2016 at 16:53

Suprisingly no one is calling these 2 snipers as terrorits

1. People are calling them terrorists.
2. People are correct to call them terrorists, and tbqh Blacklivesmatter is at the most 1 step away from being a terrorist organization. Their ideological foundation is the Black Liberation Army, an organization which carried out murders, bombings, and prison breaks.

Nobody ever claimed you have to be Muslim to be a terrorist. It just so happens than a lot of terrorists are.

Skrivet av Acquiesce, 09.07.2016 at 10:19

Skrivet av AlBoZzZ, 08.07.2016 at 16:53

Suprisingly no one is calling these 2 snipers as terrorits

1. People are calling them terrorists.
2. People are correct to call them terrorists, and tbqh Blacklivesmatter is at the most 1 step away from being a terrorist organization. Their ideological foundation is the Black Liberation Army, an organization which carried out murders, bombings, and prison breaks.

Nobody ever claimed you have to be Muslim to be a terrorist. It just so happens than a lot of terrorists are.

well , theyre being called terrorists, mostly just so that people wont look as hypocrites by not calling them as terrorists. makes more sense to me. Also black lives matter said in interview that being a BLM supporter, doesnt mean you have to hate polcie or white people

Citera:

Skrivet av AlBoZzZ, 09.07.2016 at 10:23

well , theyre being called terrorists, mostly just so that people wont look as hypocrites by not calling them as terrorists. makes more sense to me. Also black lives matter said in interview that being a BLM supporter, doesnt mean you have to hate polcie or white people

I am more than happy to throw the terrorist label around On topic though, many of the BLM supporters say that, but it gets really hard to believe them when you see at protests them chanting about killing cops, using derogatory statements and others that incite violence against cops. The Dallas attack was not the first and certainly won't be last. I'm all for the right to protest and the right for free speech,although I disagree with these people, but I have a problem when their "movement" causes violence that leads to the deaths of others and the destruction of cities.

Ship them back to africa, let them bitch about police over there.

Skrivet av Earthbound, 09.07.2016 at 10:41

Systematic inequality and endemic poverty absolutely contribute to producing these statistics, which you point out. Yet, most psychologists point out that a pervasive belief that black men are only "murderers and rapists" denies them significant opportunities in society and in terms of socioeconomic advancement. When I see people posts statistics like this, it confirms this stereotype: "Black people are just killers, so they're lives don't actually matter." Imagine how many teachers, employers, police think like this: black people are just destined to be violent.

Actually it's white liberals who implicitly admit to believing this when they deny black people their agency and excuse black violent & criminal behavior as a systemic failure. It's the most extreme arrogance to assume that every problem goes back to the white man. I don't believe in destiny, I think black people can repair their broken communities by looking at their own problems instead of blaming the bogeyman. Does racism "systemic" or otherwise exist in America? Yes of course. Does it explain or excuse away the problems that plague blacks? Absolutely not, most of those are self inflicted.

Skrivet av Acquiesce, 09.07.2016 at 10:19

Skrivet av AlBoZzZ, 08.07.2016 at 16:53

Suprisingly no one is calling these 2 snipers as terrorits

1. People are calling them terrorists.
2. People are correct to call them terrorists, and tbqh Blacklivesmatter is at the most 1 step away from being a terrorist organization. Their ideological foundation is the Black Liberation Army, an organization which carried out murders, bombings, and prison breaks.

Nobody ever claimed you have to be Muslim to be a terrorist. It just so happens than a lot of terrorists are.

4% majority.
Anyway,anyone kind enough to post pictures comparing police shootings and terrorist attacks (it would be nice if muslim and non-muslim would be separated) ?

ps. extensive research ,aka. talk between khalesi and acquiesce,does not count.
pps. neither does between civecnavi and viruslegion.

Skrivet av Black Swans, 09.07.2016 at 12:46

4% majority.
Anyway,anyone kind enough to post pictures comparing police shootings and terrorist attacks (it would be nice if muslim and non-muslim would be separated) ?

ps. extensive research ,aka. talk between khalesi and acquiesce,does not count.
pps. neither does between civecnavi and viruslegion.

I don't understand, what is this 4% number supposed to refer to? You are communicating poorly.

There are protests outside of my cities who are blocking the highways, this is definitely impacting the nation. The entire black lives matter situation is going to bite america in the ass because no one knows this yet but a revolution is coming soon, and it will shit on everyone. Especially our military, police, and government.

Skrivet av Earthbound, 09.07.2016 at 13:50

It's a matter of perspective. While you think an African American resorts to crime because he is lazy and stupid, I think its because he probably grew up in a household with an absent father, a drug addicted mother, and went to a underfunded school where the teachers assumed he was destined to fail. While you think African American neighborhoods are poor because they want it to be, I think its because they weren't considered fully human until the 60's, and had to deal with implicit racial bias as recent as the early 90's.

Conservatives like simple - binary solutions to complex problems. "Black people are poor and commit violent crime, its because the they don't want to succeed - we cant do anything about it." "We don't like Mexicans, build a wall." "The EU is bad, lets just leave it."

Holy shit way to go off the deep end dude! When did I say I thought black people are lazy and stupid? Do you always make a habit of assuming the worst in people who disagree with you?

I agree that all the factors you mentioned contribute to violence in the black community. But take black fathers as an example, this problem directly originates with the Democratic Party and festers under the left's welfare state policies!

As for your jab at conservatives, I could just as easily make similar claims about liberals. Ex: liberals think that all minorities are victims and can't help themselves. Liberals think big inefficient government can solve everything. Etc... if you're interested in a real discussion about political problems don't demonize your opponents. I am not simple minded and I've considered these issues at great length.

Skrivet av Earthbound, 09.07.2016 at 00:00

lol bro, you don't know me. I'm certainly not a bleeding-heart liberal, and I take offense to anyone who calls my opinion's "extremely arrogant" If you think all African Americans have to do is look at their "own problems" which are "self inflicted," then your choosing to ignore a complex past and present that has lead to the BLM movement; and I'm certainty not cold hearted enough to believe what you just wrote.

90% of violence against blacks is committed by other blacks. What kind of intellectual hoops do you have to go through to blame white people for a black man killing another black man? This is the literal definition of self-inflicted violence.

In American communities with the highest rates of black crime and violence, white and black democrats are elected at every level of government, where they've been unchallenged for decades. This is true in Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit and elsewhere. Still gonna blame white republicans for their problems?

Skrivet av Earthbound, 09.07.2016 at 16:08

Right...because the issue is that straightforward and simple. So you're telling me that black people kill other blacks because the color of their skin. There is literally no other variables involved accept for the fact that African Americans kill each other because they want to.

And of course, urban poverty has nothing to with blockbusting, spatial distribution of jobs, and white flight. Its the big bad Democrats that are forcing black people to kill each other.

You need to think deeper...

Nope, why do you insist on misrepresenting my views? Is it because your misrepresentation is easier to challenge than the arguments I'm actually putting forward? I never said or even implied they killed each other because they are black. It is you who is thinking superficially by insisting that every problem suffered by minorities goes back to racism and prejudice by white men. Also never said democrats were forcing anyone to do anything. Only that politicians seek to gain politically by furthering a victim complex in black communities and demonizing "white racists".

Skrivet av Acquiesce, 09.07.2016 at 16:21

Nope, why do you insist on misrepresenting my views?

And what is your view exactly? Why do you think we have arrived to these circumstances?

Skrivet av RaulPB, 09.07.2016 at 17:25

And what is your view exactly? Why do you think we have arrived to these circumstances?

It's a complex problem with no silver bullet but I'd basically say this-

1. Look soberly at black crime rates. The truth may be uncomfortable and it certainly isn't PC but it's the truth. Understand that if you really think black lives matter you should be spending at least 90% of your energy lecturing black, not white people.
2. Take measures to increase police transparency and accountability. When all the facts are in and a clear case of police brutality has been legally determined, subject offending officers to serious legal consequences regardless of the victim's race
3. Eliminate welfare incentives which promote single motherhood. This will actually help all Americans, but especially black families.
4. At the very least eliminate mandatory minimums for drug related crimes. At best decriminalize marijuana possession and use (though ideally this should be done at the state level).
5. Transform black culture. This is the most hard to accomplish and can only be achieved by black people themselves. Come to value education and family stability, condemn drug use and criminality.

This would be a solid start. The worst thing you can do is race bait, play the victim game, and remove all agency from black people.

Skrivet av Acquiesce, 09.07.2016 at 20:21

Skrivet av RaulPB, 09.07.2016 at 17:25

And what is your view exactly? Why do you think we have arrived to these circumstances?

It's a complex problem with no silver bullet but I'd basically say this-

1. Look soberly at black crime rates. The truth may be uncomfortable and it certainly isn't PC but it's the truth. Understand that if you really think black lives matter you should be spending at least 90% of your energy lecturing black, not white people.
2. Take measures to increase police transparency and accountability. When all the facts are in and a clear case of police brutality has been legally determined, subject offending officers to serious legal consequences regardless of the victim's race
3. Eliminate welfare incentives which promote single motherhood. This will actually help all Americans, but especially black families.
4. At the very least eliminate mandatory minimums for drug related crimes. At best decriminalize marijuana possession and use (though ideally this should be done at the state level).
5. Transform black culture. This is the most hard to accomplish and can only be achieved by black people themselves. Come to value education and family stability, condemn drug use and criminality.

This would be a solid start. The worst thing you can do is race bait, play the victim game, and remove all agency from black people.

I see no point in which you talk about some sort of integration of white people with black people tho. Don't you think that's a must in order to make these differences disapear? You shouldn't just transform black culture, but white as well, in order to fit one with the other. As much as black people try to change, there needs to be some understanding between both and some aid. Don't expect them to change in favour of other people if these people turn their backs on them.

Skrivet av RaulPB, 09.07.2016 at 20:55

You shouldn't just transform black culture, but white as well, in order to fit one with the other.

I'm listening. What part of "white culture" do you think needs to change to accommodate black Americans?

Skrivet av Acquiesce, 09.07.2016 at 21:32

Skrivet av RaulPB, 09.07.2016 at 20:55

You shouldn't just transform black culture, but white as well, in order to fit one with the other.

I'm listening. What part of "white culture" do you think needs to change to accommodate black Americans?

how dare you, evil, racist, white male, this is 2016!

Skrivet av Evic, 09.07.2016 at 10:49

Ship them back to africa, let them bitch about police over there.

Or about ebola. Or AIDS. Or cannibals. Or or or.

Skrivet av Guest, 10.07.2016 at 09:01

Or about ebola. Or AIDS. Or cannibals. Or or or.

or all the other black people

Race wars are coming...

Skrivet av Mr_Own_U, 10.07.2016 at 19:59

50% of white people are killed by police officers

I'm sure that's not what you mean but I'm not sure what you actually mean.

Skrivet av EndsOfInvention, 10.07.2016 at 20:01

Skrivet av Mr_Own_U, 10.07.2016 at 19:59

50% of white people are killed by police officers

I'm sure that's not what you mean but I'm not sure what you actually mean.

Out of 100% of people killed in the United States by Police Officers, a clean 50% are Caucasian.

Skrivet av Mr_Own_U, 10.07.2016 at 20:04

Out of 100% of people killed in the United States by Police Officers, a clean 50% are Caucasian.

Ok, that makes more sense.
To me it read like half of all white people are killed by police officers.

This thread is triggering my hate for America.

Skrivet av Mr_Own_U, 10.07.2016 at 19:59

I Appreciate this post. thank you for your service.

Skrivet av Acquiesce, 09.07.2016 at 21:32

I'm listening. What part of "white culture" do you think needs to change to accommodate black Americans?

I'm not a sociology expert but I'd say the most important things to change would be prejudices and predisposition to talk things out instead of ignoring them or putting them aside

Skrivet av RaulPB, 12.07.2016 at 09:29

I'm not a sociology expert but I'd say the most important things to change would be prejudices and predisposition to talk things out instead of ignoring them or putting them aside

And that's where we have to part ways. I don't think we should or even can socially engineer people into thinking the "right way" about things. All Americans (with the exception of criminals) should have equal legal and political rights, but once you start venturing into SJW territory about white guilt and microagressions I'm signing off.

Skrivet av Acquiesce, 12.07.2016 at 09:38

And that's where we have to part ways. I don't think we should or even can socially engineer people into thinking the "right way" about things.

In that case, and according to your words, same should apply to black people, thus their culture shouldn't be changed in any way, right? (btw, I don't like to mess up with people's standards and changing them into robots either, but if you want to change "black culture", you gotta change "white culture" too)

In conclusion, Idk what you actually meant by changing "black culture" but that's wrong (even by your own words above this).

Skrivet av Acquiesce, 12.07.2016 at 09:38

All Americans (with the exception of criminals) should have equal legal and political rights, but once you start venturing into SJW territory about white guilt and microagressions I'm signing off.

Thing is that everyone points at everyone else... it's never their own fault, always blame it on your closest opponent. That's why I said that people should discuss.

Skrivet av RaulPB, 12.07.2016 at 11:15

In that case, and according to your words, same should apply to black people, thus their culture shouldn't be changed in any way, right? (btw, I don't like to mess up with people's standards and changing them into robots either, but if you want to change "black culture", you gotta change "white culture" too)

In conclusion, Idk what you actually meant by changing "black culture" but that's wrong (even by your own words above this).

Why would you change white culture too? From what i can see its mostly blacks and other minority groups making most of the trouble in USA, ignoring the fact that it all comes down to their culture is just idiotic.
Adapting a good culture to fit a crappy one is not the way to go, i mean following your logic you could also say we need to change outselves to fit ISIS, how can one dare to say there is something wrong with their culture.

Skrivet av Earthbound, 12.07.2016 at 14:17

It's kind of ironic that one of your solutions was to "change black culture" but you don't believe in social engineering. For as much as you like to blame "white liberals" for everything, most of the solutions you present are would be laughed at by conservatives and republicans. What conservative wants to increase police accountability and transparency? What conservative wants to change welfare distribution to make getting education easier?

There's no irony. Culture should change organically and from within. Black culture in America promotes violence, criminality, and ignorance and so it would be better for everyone if it changed in these ways. I'm not telling any black people to feel guilty or holding any individuals accountable the way SJWs will call all white people racist.

As for your attack on republicans, I never claimed to be one. I think they are just as rotten as the democrats so this is an irrelevant point. In any case, lots of conservatives want to end destructive welfare policies.

Skrivet av Acquiesce, 12.07.2016 at 16:12

There's no irony. Culture should change organically and from within. Black culture in America promotes violence, criminality, and ignorance and so it would be better for everyone if it changed in these ways. I'm not telling any black people to feel guilty or holding any individuals accountable the way SJWs will call all white people racist.

Skrivet av Acquiesce, 12.07.2016 at 09:38

And that's where we have to part ways. I don't think we should or even can socially engineer people into thinking the "right way" about things.

All said. I believe you either don't know you're being contradictory with your own words or you're calling all blacks criminals.

Skrivet av RaulPB, 12.07.2016 at 09:29

I'm not a sociology expert but I'd say the most important things to change would be prejudices and predisposition to talk things out instead of ignoring them or putting them aside