Patriotism is for bitches and sheep

Do you guys think we have been to space? If you do, you are far away from any truth.

Skrivet av Tik-Tok, 17.07.2015 at 09:41

The people chose left against the right. They chose freedom against cowardly opression. And Tik tok's butthurt lolol.

You know shit. Jesus christ. Supposedly, you read independent media and are antisystemic, but all i hear is another parrot of the system. Syriza is filled with a mix of communists, socialists, social-democrats, anticapitalists, antisystemics, euro sceptics, enviromentalists and even anarchists. Syriza and our prime minister has been protecting and supporting anarchist protesters for 5 years now. The first thing he did when he was elected was to cut off the balls of riot police and police in general. Which means the core of fascism. Because without the police on your side you are chickens. And surprise surprise, Athens is not burning anymore and all protests go about peacefully. I know you dispise Syriza and our primeminister because he and they are the embodiment of everything you hate and they have all the power now, while the subhumans you love so much, are either unemployed, pushed away on the sidelines, on hiding, or in jail, sucking albanian cock. Suck it up and learn to loose.

Back to topic. Everything you said is speculation. You cant know what Tsipras said to Obama and ultimately you cant know what happened in the end, behind the scenes. You provided zero substance to your argument again, except offcourse gah, your opinion. Why am i not surprised. I did provide FACTS. I lived those facts. The war, Greece media, Greece corrupted political system, German media and politicians and IMF and Eurogroup officials waged on our government , make a strong argument on their own. When all the corruption of Europe teams up against someone, its almost certain that this someone is doing something right. Not to mention national socialists and communists alike, over the world congratulated Tsipras after the referendum for having the strenth to stand up against Europe rulers. Even Putin did and Castro from Cuba, along with Farage and so many others. But as i said, we are talking about the people who rule Europe, who take orders from the people that rule the whole world. Not an easy enemy to defy. And moreso, end up victorious in the end. Kinda everyone here knew that we would get fucked in end, but we didnt care. We just wanted to say No to the fuckers and let the whole world know. More than everything you ever did, with your empowering speeches behind the pc, drinking tea. And we still dont know what will happen. Grexit is still in the cards, who knows, we might just draw it. So, to say it one more time, you DO NOT know what happened and if and how they threatened him to accept the new programm and you do not know exactly what will happen in the near future. So shut it.

Skrivet av Tik-Tok, 17.07.2015 at 09:41

The US isn't going to invade. Serbia wasn't supported because the Soviet Union had just collapsed and Russia wasn't able to help. Russia is stronger now and Greece is more important.

Says who? If Greece exits Europe, it will become poor and isolated with no allies in the West. It would be free for all. Russia would help offcourse, as long as it has something to gain and nothing to loose. Putin is smart. So he wouldnt do shit.

Skrivet av Tik-Tok, 17.07.2015 at 09:41

The Kebabs aren't going to invade, immigration is the biggest problem regarding kebab and again, your precious leftists are opening the border.

Again, says who? You know nothing of kebabs. You sit in your little protected far away island like your ancestors and you think you have any idea what went on, on Balkans and the mediterrenean for 500 years now? You think you know whats going on now? We dont have Netherland lords and Belgium girls with ponytails dancing in the fields, as neighbours. We have sharks and lions and muslims aka kebabs and albanian kebabs. And that is not a thing of the past. May i remind you how the subhumans invaded and stole half of our island, Cyprous? Not in 1700 or in 1800. BUT IN 1974. May i remind you how they tried their shit again on OUR ISLETS, called IMIA in 1996? Its twenty first century and these savage kebab monkeys are still trying to take our land. In 1996 war was imminent. They laid claim to our land and dropped a helicopter killing 3 of our pilots. We all wanted it. Whole Greece was asking for it and I myself, who in reality am very peacefull, also wanted to go to war. And we would. But offcourse the Americans didnt allow it. They gave direct orders for us to back off, or else and took the side of Turks. Look it up on wikelieaks if you want, the documents have leaked all over the internet.
Not to mention kebab fighters and ships, illegally invading our air and naval space, all the time.Not then but now aswell.

So, as shown by historic evidence and the recent geopolitical events and situation, Greece is under threat from both the United States and the kebabs. We can also conclude you are full of shit and you know nothing. Like usual.

Skrivet av Tik-Tok, 17.07.2015 at 09:41

You admit that the Golden Dawn is the solution. You admit they would bring about future and prosperity but you oppose them because you will lose 'muh freedoms'. What freedoms? Greek youth have 75% unemployment, drug addiction grows, crime grows, prostitution up by 150% and vast oligarchs are now buying up your nations greatest assets for cheap. Business is shut down, debt increases and now you're going to get austerity on steroids. But that's ALL OK because you get be a homosexual degenerate who can give fellatio to drug addled strangers.

Lol. I chuckled at this
But, WRONG. I admitted that Golden Dawn is the solution to 1 PROBLEM. They would bring 10 MORE PROBLEMS though. So in general perspective, they are not very much the solution now, are they?

You know nothing of loosing these "freedoms" you shamelessly and ignorantly, mock and laugh at. You never lost them and you always took them for granted and thats one of the reasons, you dont respect and saviour them, like we do ( the other are you deep psychological traumas) You grew up in a suburb in Uk, an imperialist power, raised by your rich parents, with servants, for fuck shake. What do YOU have to tell ME about freedom? SHIT. Nothing. ZERO. In your life, If you loose your afternoon tea, thats a legit reason for a revolution and you will write it in your diary, at night. We do know, though. WE LIVED FASCISM. We lived under fascist ottomans for 400 years. And we lived a military junta, under national socialist fascists, YOUR KIND, for 10 years, in 1967. Thats right. We lived under REAL FASCISM and we saw its true face and what its capable of. We saw all the lies and hypocrisy of fascism, first hand. We felt all the desolation, sadness, misery, death and torture of YOUR FASCISM, on our fucking skin. Not in theory and not on the stupid books and websites that you base your stupid rhetoric, on.

Skrivet av Tik-Tok, 17.07.2015 at 09:41

Who ares about the starving Greeks, the Greeks without electricity, the Greeks without future, the Greeks without money, wealth or influence. What of the right to walk the streets at night unaccosted or the right to buy and sell to who you please? What of the right of the Greek people to be Greek and to be represented by their own? What of the right to not be forced into debt while an oligarchy influences education, media and social policy to incentivise irresponsibility and idiocracy?

Drop the populism. Its fake, hypocritical and frankly, pathetic. Like you ever gave a fuck about Greeks or anyone. All you care is the empowerment of the state and having the power to opress people. All for the good of the state. Even if it means walking on top of your own citizens bodies. That is your ideology in both definition and in practice, so drop the act.

Skrivet av Tik-Tok, 17.07.2015 at 09:41

But no, rather than a having a functioning Fascist system which benefits everyone,

The state. And the elit that enforces the law and the rules. Thats certainly not everyone. I cant see how someone who his opinion and life, is worth less than dog shit, (by definition of fascism) is considering himself benefited in any way.

Skrivet av Tik-Tok, 17.07.2015 at 09:41

But that's ALL OK because you get be a homosexual degenerate who can give fellatio to drug addled strangers.

you prefer your progressive language, written by the very bankers who just bought you so you can squeal about your homo pride and your 'freedom'.

The term 'Freedom is Slavery' has never been better illustrated than by your cuckolded post. You are a traitor, a coward and a cuck trying to rationalize the fact that your leftist idealism is a banker created joke and that you have opposed your own solution.

You are a peasant with a peasant mind. Peasants are their own worse enemy. You know that Fascism is the solution, it is future but you continue to support the very antithesis of your goals just because they let you be a homo.

I will skip making a list of all the fallacies in your post, because it would derail our conversation and work in your favour. I will instead focus on why you picked only one (sexual freedom) of all the points of my argument, as to why me and most people, will never embrace fascism and parties like Golden Dawn.

Now, as you correctly pointed out, i value immensly, the freedom to suck whichever cock i want, if i want. I believe its my right. But thats not the only freedom and civil right i, and most of my fellow humans, feel they are entitled to enjoy.
I talked about all the other aspects, in which the fascist state intervenes, controls, blocks, censors, bans and then proceeds to use violence, torture, jailing, exile and death to all citizens who do not abide by them. They censor ALL media, meaning radio, tv, print and the newly found internet. Freedom of speech or thought does not exist and offenders are punished. Same for judging or speaking ill against the state and its enforcers. All forms of art are censored and controlled. Golden dawn parliament members, without even being on power, blocked a certain international play once, because it offended Jesus, called everyone there faggots and tried to beat everyone up. Imagine if they gain power, what will happen. And thats just one of the hundeds of examples. While we are at it, Church will be back, sucking off more money, enjoying more privileges and helping to keep the masses from sin and free thinking. Religious freedom and atheists are punished and not tolerated. Women go back to having no rights, except to stay in the kitchen, clean, cook and get beat up if they speak. Women are an importand part of todays society, are educated, employed and have an active role. But no you want us to go back to the dark ages.
So whats left, political freedom is also punishable, all the leftists go to jail. Offcourse sexual freedom is not tolerated, gays get beaten up and jailed, if not killed and immigrants deported, best case scenario. Add increased policing and militarism to the equation, the introduction of new laws and regulations, even overnight, without any democratic procedures, the demolition of parliament and political parties and offcourse corruption and economic elitisism. Im sure im forgetting things.

Wow, who the fuck wouldnt want to live in this world.? WHO? Are these the "muh useless freedoms" you were mocking? Do you find these irrelevant and not of value? Fucking idiot.

Also, keep in mind that the countries which rate highest in factors like civil rights, freedom of speech and press, social equality, meaning all the things which rate the lowest in fascist societies, also rate the highest in all other importand factors like economic growth, high wages, highest high literacy rates, high health, happiness, low corruption, low unemployment, low crime etc So want to tell me exactly why the fuck would i not want this? Convince me motherfucker. Scandinavia and Canada is everything you hate and everything i love. Everything you mock and everything i desire. And they score top IN ALL THE FUCKING RATINGS EVERY FUCKING YEAR. NOW CONVINCE ME I AM WRONG AND YOU ARE RIGHT. DO IT. DO IT!


And i will end this, with the documented words of the Ambassador of United states in Athens and the head of CIA in Athens, in the seventies(yeah Usa supported the fascists, no shit) at the time of the military junta and after the fascists in Athens enforced military law and jailed, killed and tortured, literally half the country.

Ambassador (anti-fascist): "That is a rape of democracy"

Head of CIA (pro-fascist): "You cant rape a whore"


Well guess what, you are not touching this whore again, piece of shit.

Skrivet av Tik-Tok, 17.07.2015 at 10:07

Debate is never for the debated. It is for the audience.

strong

Skrivet av brianwl, 16.07.2015 at 06:33

Slavery was never abolished... just given a make-over so the masses don't recognize it. When your body was registered with the state, you were given a birth certificate to confirm the state 'certifies' you as their property, and your employment number (SC, SIN, etc) confirms the bondage once you're of age so you can't say you were fooled as a baby. Then you're given lots of 'goodies' and government handouts requiring your government ID, so you don't rebel.

Occasionally, the deception is put right out in plain view (the greek debt crisis is the latest example, where the greek people are outright labeled 'debtors' ... and it is their birth certificates/government ID which forms the basis of this commercial arrangement. As property, they have no rights, and so their creditors will dictate the terms (this is why the 'bailout' deal was worse than the conditions they voted 'no' for.... voting 'no' put them in default.)

What we can all learn, is nearly all of us are debtors to IMF and other world institutions, so everything happening to greeks in terms of 'austerity' can just as easily happen to the rest of us:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

Note that UK, US, Germany and France all have higher debt per person - so if you think it can't happen to you, you'd be under the spell of your government. Greece maybe just a testing ground... or perhaps a nation to be made example of... so the rest of the world can warm up to the idea of bowing to the bankers.

No no no, you got wrong. You talk about government like thats something evil, something alien to us, something that control us from far away. I dont know if governments on the west lost touch with its population, but definition of government is:

Government is group of people elected by population to represent them and run day-to-day administration in the country.

Birth certificate is made to keep track of population numbers, date of birth, sex, ethnic group, town. IDs and employment numbers to keep record of workers numbers and citizen details to make it easier and efficient. That all goes to 'committee of statistics' or whatever it is called in your country.
Thats how you can get fast information of how many population you have, how many children, how many generations, how many elders, how many working able men, how many deaths and births per year, and much more.

How can government 'own' you as a property when they are group of people which will retire when their term limit expire, and then new group will be elected to run the state.

Only if you think government is some alien creature who oppress people, but i dont think you believe in hippie conspiracy theories. Thats 60's and 70's stories made by hippie drug addicts.

With IDs and documentation you get do business easier, keep record of your relatives and familiy, keep record of your health and much more. Imagine doing business or asking healthcare for help without papers, i dont see how would that work.


About debt crisis, IMF and Greece: its easy; apparently countries like to get loan to spend on projects and not wait to collect taxes and save money, so they can later spend on projects. Its faster isnt it? But then you create debt, so they created huge debts by taking loans from banks and other governments. US is taking loans to spend on space program, military, police, prisons and black sites, France and England taking loan to spend on military and infrastructure, Japan taking loan to spend on technology research and development. Problem is they took too much loan and now after 20 years debt is too high to repay quick. Thats like a kid eating candies without thinking it will hurt his stomach later, and he eats, eats, eats and then stomach start to hurt, too late to stop now, you can stop but stomach wont stop hurting.

Problem in big picture is that Western debt makes Western World violent and hostile. Now they think, instead repaying debt, they can sell other nations resources and get out of crisis fast. So instead collecting taxes, spending less and saving more so you can repay debt later, they are invading resource-rich countries to get their wealth and sell it to pay debt fast.
Example is Russia, they created Ukrainian Civil War to blame Russian Federation so they can have pretext to invade. But problem is Russian Federation have nuclear stockpile and one of the strongest military and that can lead not only to billion human casualties, but to the end of the World.

Skrivet av International, 16.07.2015 at 05:09

Skrivet av Unleashed, 16.07.2015 at 00:47

Skrivet av Tirpitz406, 15.07.2015 at 15:43

Skrivet av Unleashed, 15.07.2015 at 06:14

one fatal flaw

how do you go to school without a governement?

*Somewhere in USA, by the end of the 18th century*

But who will work if we abolish slavery?

You want to abolish slavery? A society just can't function without it. Are you crazy? You are the devil! You are an anarchist! Everything will turn into chaos and nobody will work the fields anymore, WE WILL STARVE AND CHAOS

Any similarities?

That is an absurd argument. Slavery was not abolished in the true sense of the word. It was merely replaced with poverty.

If you seek to abolish government, what do you propose to replace it with?

real leaders

Skrivet av Skanderbeg, 18.07.2015 at 13:41

Skrivet av brianwl, 16.07.2015 at 06:33

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No no no, you got wrong. You talk about government like thats something evil, something alien to us, something that control us from far away. I dont know if governments on the west lost touch with its population, but definition of government is:

Government is group of people elected by population to represent them and run day-to-day administration in the country.

Birth certificate is made to keep track of population numbers, date of birth, sex, ethnic group, town. IDs and employment numbers to keep record of workers numbers and citizen details to make it easier and efficient. That all goes to 'committee of statistics' or whatever it is called in your country.
Thats how you can get fast information of how many population you have, how many children, how many generations, how many elders, how many working able men, how many deaths and births per year, and much more.

How can government 'own' you as a property when they are group of people which will retire when their term limit expire, and then new group will be elected to run the state.

Only if you think government is some alien creature who oppress people, but i dont think you believe in hippie conspiracy theories. Thats 60's and 70's stories made by hippie drug addicts.

With IDs and documentation you get do business easier, keep record of your relatives and familiy, keep record of your health and much more. Imagine doing business or asking healthcare for help without papers, i dont see how would that work.


About debt crisis, IMF and Greece: its easy; apparently countries like to get loan to spend on projects and not wait to collect taxes and save money, so they can later spend on projects. Its faster isnt it? But then you create debt, so they created huge debts by taking loans from banks and other governments. US is taking loans to spend on space program, military, police, prisons and black sites, France and England taking loan to spend on military and infrastructure, Japan taking loan to spend on technology research and development. Problem is they took too much loan and now after 20 years debt is too high to repay quick. Thats like a kid eating candies without thinking it will hurt his stomach later, and he eats, eats, eats and then stomach start to hurt, too late to stop now, you can stop but stomach wont stop hurting.

Problem in big picture is that Western debt makes Western World violent and hostile. Now they think, instead repaying debt, they can sell other nations resources and get out of crisis fast. So instead collecting taxes, spending less and saving more so you can repay debt later, they are invading resource-rich countries to get their wealth and sell it to pay debt fast.
Example is Russia, they created Ukrainian Civil War to blame Russian Federation so they can have pretext to invade. But problem is Russian Federation have nuclear stockpile and one of the strongest military and that can lead not only to billion human casualties, but to the end of the World.

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I am tempted to go one by one and address each point - but i'll leave it to you... i don't want to waste too much time if you dogmatically believe all the above. So you know, i once believed everything above, but it took a bit of research to realize it's not true.

I'll pick two points to address, and if you want to discuss further, i'm always open:

1) " birth certificate is made to keep track of population etc: " - Jedi quote

makes sense, except there's lots of ways of doing this without issuing a certificate. For starters, they could call it 'census tracking record' or something more accurately descriptive. If you want to test this, send back your certificate and request a record for the purposes you stated above (may sound silly, but people actually do this when they really want to know the truth). Watch what happens. I declined to answer census questions and gave them back basically what you said.... i said you already have that information (isn't it odd the census people come to your door, when they already know you live there, have tax records, address, etc.) They get really uptight and threaten to fine you or send you to jail... which doesn't make a lot of sense, if you are happy to simply confirm that the information they have is already correct.
You need to compare 'birth certificate' with 'birth record' and determine using your own critical thinking, what is meant by these terms. They aren't the same thing, but like you, i once thought they were 'basically the same.' Lawyers aren't stupid ... they define terms very carefully, and often you'll hear of legal/business meetings lasting hours just on defining terms. Keep in mind, most government leaders and representatives are lawyers/business people, and despite their ridiculous behaviour on t.v. and in their elected assembly, they didn't suddenly lose their brains when elected to office. They swear oaths to their respective law societies, which supersede the obligations to the people they represent. At any rate, a 'certificate' has a specific legal definition in law, and certain societies (Japanese for one) kept their census data separate from the 'government identification' as the Japanese were (at least at one time) aware of what a 'certificate' meant.

2) " How can government 'own' you as a property when they are group of people which will retire when their term limit expire, and then new group will be elected to run the state." - Jedi quote

The best evidence for this is making a list of the characteristics of 'property' and 'free people' (Do this on your own terms, using your own words, etc.) Then, once your list is finished, see if your government treats you as one or the other. One piece of evidence for this though is use of physical force during an arrest, for something as minor as biking without a helmet, or driving with a missing tail-light, and using terms such as 'custody' and 'access' particularly in child divorce cases. ' Access' is a term used for property, while 'association' is a term used for people. 'Custody' is also a term used for property, so when you are taken into 'custody' it's a giveaway you are state property... that is one reason they fingerprint you (yes , i know, there's a million sherlock holmes types out there dusting for fingerprints) but it's also a descriptor of the property, just like any transfer of goods will describe the item.


Anyway, i know you'll find this difficult to believe without doing your research... much easier to parrot the misinformation you've been fed by your government, but the truth is there, and if you wish to test the limits of your 'freedom' you may surprised. There are lots of videos now on youtube that show reactions of government officials when you don't produce government i.d. ... why do judges and law enforcement act like children having a temper tantrum when you don't give i.d. - but they can act calm and cool under severe stress, and other life threatening situations? It's worth exploring if you value your freedom.