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23.03.2015 i
In Regards To Picking Countries (3v3s)
Skrivet av Permamuted, 23.03.2015 at 18:44
also these kind of threads tend to appear once every 6 months or so, not sure why, its nothing new.
Just a friendly reminder.
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23.03.2015 i
In Regards To Picking Countries (3v3s)
Skrivet av Dragon, 23.03.2015 at 17:09
It does not matter WHAT the picks are. It matters WHO picks. There are no reasons to go on a 3v3 with a noob picking new stuff. I am of a firm view he cannot handle it. New tries are for pros, not for trolls. So, dont rage at someone who leaves a game for you picking new starting place. Be rage at you yourself being noob no one has faith in your skills
Why would a noob be playing 3v3 in the first place? If he can't handle playing a new country, he probably won't be able to handle one of the 6 standard country's either.
This has nothing to do with my personal skill set. Respected players like b0nker who have a globally recognized skill set have been called a 'troll' before all players leave the game.
Due to that fact, it's obvious it has to do more with people not willing to go outside their comfort zone. People are afraid of doing something new, because it requires them to do a different expansion and attack different countries.
Also, people are more than free to play any strategy they want. If you go RA Spain, is anybody going to call you a troll and leave? Nope. So why should you call somebody a troll for playing a different country?
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22.03.2015 i
In Regards To Picking Countries (3v3s)
I, for one, am tired of trying to play 3v3s and having everybody rage and declare "TROLLL" for picking unpopular countries.
At one point, Sweden, Italy and Poland were considered "troll" picks. Now they are mainstream. But everybody in atwar is still too scared to try something new. Having RC or Austria picked leads to the person playing Ukraine or Germany/Turkey to feel unconfortable because they have no clue how to improvise and expand. Aren't both of those skills pillars of atwar? Aren't the best players the ones who can improvise and expand the best. regardless of cirumstances? That is, assuming the matchup is fair.
I'm getting so sick of these newfags thinking 3v3 is a set country vs the same 5 other countries. Honestly, a game can just about be won nowadays if you pull some crazy shit out of the blue, because just about all players can't react properly to the crazy shit, because they're a little machine attacking the same countries with the same units every damn game.
So please, when somebody picks an unpopular country, don't rage. Don't leave. Don't quit. Play it. Being able to react under cirumstances different than you're accustom too will get you MUCH farther than playing the same shit will.
tl;dr stop being fags and play new countries.
At one point, Sweden, Italy and Poland were considered "troll" picks. Now they are mainstream. But everybody in atwar is still too scared to try something new. Having RC or Austria picked leads to the person playing Ukraine or Germany/Turkey to feel unconfortable because they have no clue how to improvise and expand. Aren't both of those skills pillars of atwar? Aren't the best players the ones who can improvise and expand the best. regardless of cirumstances? That is, assuming the matchup is fair.
I'm getting so sick of these newfags thinking 3v3 is a set country vs the same 5 other countries. Honestly, a game can just about be won nowadays if you pull some crazy shit out of the blue, because just about all players can't react properly to the crazy shit, because they're a little machine attacking the same countries with the same units every damn game.
So please, when somebody picks an unpopular country, don't rage. Don't leave. Don't quit. Play it. Being able to react under cirumstances different than you're accustom too will get you MUCH farther than playing the same shit will.
tl;dr stop being fags and play new countries.
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18.03.2015 i
Player Amounts Booming
English will always be the standard. Multiple developed nations from various parts of the world have English as their native language. If English is not a native language in your country, then it is probably taught as a second language.
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16.03.2015 i
On the new ToS.
Skrivet av Guest, 16.03.2015 at 14:41
I had a huge doc written up as a response to this, but it signed me out when I tried to post it. This is literally the fifth time this has happened. Amok & Ivan need to get their fucking server shit together, this is goddamn ridiculous.
Basically, what I said was: I always was against banlists. They were, and still are, retarded.
We need these three clauses for cartographers:
I. Cartographers own all resources they've made and/or provided for their maps. This includes but is not limited to: Images, Backgrounds, Fonts, Sounds, Ideas, Concepts, and Advertising/String text.
II. Cartographers have the right to publish or un-publish maps that they are the sole, original creator of, or have implicit and proven permission by the sole, original creator of said map, with no intervention into the decision by the Protobytes/AtWar staff in any way, shape, or form. They will only publsh/un-publish the map as requested at the earliest convenience.
III. Cartographers have the right to claim ownership on any and all resources featured in clause I, as long as they do not infringe or come from ProtoBytes/AtWar in any way, shape, or form. IE, you can own anything you make yourself outside of AtWar (Images, Border ideas, stories, etc), but you cannot own the map on AtWar itself.
Does this work?
What defines what clause you get put into?
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16.03.2015 i
On the new ToS.
Skrivet av Goblin, 16.03.2015 at 13:20
Skrivet av Fockmeeard, 16.03.2015 at 13:01
I called map makers workers? Where?
Also, for future reference, that was an analogy and 'metaphore' is spelt metaphor.
Volunteering may include compensation IF IT WAS STATED WHEN YOU SIGNED UP but that was not the case here, was it?
Your comparison in regards to premium is invalid. It specifically states here that Lifetime lasts forever. Changing the ToS would invalidate their word.
Nobody ever promised that atwar would never take down your maps. They promised in the pic above to always allow you to create maps but that does not mean the maps you created are prevented from being taken down.
First of all i bet you wouldn't be able to learn how to say properly or write 2 sentences in my language.
Also it specifically stated before the change that i bought custom maps package to "create my own maps" ...yet that is shit now.
Furthermore what the fuck are you talking about maps being taken down? ...do you even know the subject of this topic or are you here just to troll.
And you know that my responses about your little analogy and volunteers is a response that i didn't claim is the same with AW case ...i merely commented about your incorrect analogy and volunteer work.
If you read all what i said you could see that i wrote that what they have done isn't illegal ...but its a dick move, slap in faces of people who help them improve the game.
I also said that Terms of service everywhere is a controversial topic and many people criticize the unilateral power companies and websites give themselves regarding this.
One of the criticism is also the user generated material that many argue companies have no right to claim absolute ownership over.
Now you respond to me in croatian fock ...or in serbian if you like.
P.S. love how you said you guys HATE map makers ...really makes you look objective on the matter.
Ah Gobby Gobby Gobby, why would I learn a language that only 12 people speak? If I ever find myself in croatia (fat chance) i'll just go to the local mountain range, find your village in between those mountains, and have you translate "Thank you" to the man delivering the milk everyday
In all seriousness I wasn't criticizing you, just helping you out.
I was not trolling. You made a reference to "what if ToS suddenly made it that you no longer had premium anymore" which was suppose to somehow be connected to maps so I figured your point was "What if they took away your premium? That is the same feeling when they take away (aka take down) our maps" because I previously mentioned that all mapmakers should be asked if their maps will comply with the new rules and if they don't they will violate the current ToS and be taken down.
Sorry for assuming you were following the conversation.
And again Gobby I clearly stated I don't hate mapmakers. I just hate their attitudes. Being able to make that distiniction is what allows me to be objective.
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16.03.2015 i
On the new ToS.
Skrivet av Guest, 16.03.2015 at 11:38
I should state this again, guys: I haven't been on AtWar for months. What exactly did the cartographer community do that all of you keep blaming them for? "Blackmailing", etc. I'm not a part of that, nor are some of my friends. We simply don't want the resources we provided being exploited, and for the abusive and elusive ToS to be made transparent, public, and humane.
Nobody hates the community of map makers. We hate the arrogance and attitude that many map makers portray. Going back to when mapmakers first wanted the banlist, the whole ideology was "You better give us what we want because we willingly spend our free time doing something you never asked us to do, or else we'll threaten you!!!" and that ideology still seems to be in effect today.
Mapmakers are generous to the community, There is a trade with a steep learning slope when mapmaking. It's not easy. But regardless, you guys hold no right to walk around thinking you deserve the world for what you do.
It is the attitude of the member, not the member himself, that we hate.
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16.03.2015 i
On the new ToS.
Skrivet av Goblin, 16.03.2015 at 07:54
Skrivet av Fockmeeard, 15.03.2015 at 19:04
"Worker" You're a worker? Were you hired by atwar? Did you sign a contract? Were you promised rewards? No, you are not a worker. You are a volunteer. You worked knowing there will be no benefit. You worked knowing that there is no compensation as no compensation was mentioned when you brought atwar features to build a map.
First you called map makers workers with your metaphore, which is an actual real life situation predicted in laws and now you change your story ...now we are volunteers? LMAO
Last year i was searching the web for volunteer work ...guess what, all does contracts had compensation in mind, good pocket cash, food, place to live.
Guess you would be fine with changes of ToS in which a new paragraph would emerge that says "all life time premiums will end on 17.03.2015. ...you can buy it again for 40$, have a nice day
Im not saying this is illegal ...im saying it's wrong.
Like does web sites that hold the privilage to share your private content etc. ...all according to their ToS, yet many of them got flames for it.
I called map makers workers? Where?
Also, for future reference, that was an analogy and 'metaphore' is spelt metaphor.
Volunteering may include compensation IF IT WAS STATED WHEN YOU SIGNED UP but that was not the case here, was it?
Your comparison in regards to premium is invalid. It specifically states here that Lifetime lasts forever. Changing the ToS would invalidate their word.
Nobody ever promised that atwar would never take down your maps. They promised in the pic above to always allow you to create maps but that does not mean the maps you created are prevented from being taken down.
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15.03.2015 i
On the new ToS.
Skrivet av Guest, 15.03.2015 at 19:53
You think I refer solely to the aspects of creation only provided by Protobytes? I refer to the countless hours of research, planning, resource-making, testing, marketing, and fixing that goes along with it. My time is just as valuable as your's. I'm not sure whether this is only a me thing, but I also design the images for my maps; Fonts, Textures, backgrounds, etc. That intellectual is not the IP of Amok & Ivan. If they even tried to claim it was, I would have them in an American court within a fortnight. As implied: Those are external resources and intellectual properties. I can't say for certain the creations made with AtWar itself are owned by it (Borders/Capitals, whatever), but the resources put into the maps are definitely not the property of anyone but the creator or original owner. If Amok & Ivan only mean to claim that they own what is made within AtWar, than they need a new legal assistant as their ToS is (as I stated in my OP) god awful to read, and unfathomably vague.
Now, personally? I feel as though you need a reality check. By "this isn't a game", I refer to the facets that go into making a map, not playing the damn game. You're fishing for insults to give me, yet you're only digging yourself an even deeper hole of shit. Stop replying if your only goal is to impede upon a concept which you don't even understand.
Hi. This is a game. You brought an add-on to this game, you chose to devote a lot of time into planning/creating the map with the addon. End of story.
You claim your intellectual properties, but what about the code that makes the map functional? Is that code written by you? Are the city/capital icons yours? Nope.
If you make the sprites and 3D models for a game, do you own the whole game? Nope. You have your properties while they have they theirs. You combined these properities to make something better.
Once again you are a volunteer, not a worker. Now atwar has updated ToS so you know that when you volunteer you own no rights to the original content and give atwar full consent to keep the map online.
Now, this is unfair to the maps posted before the change. Which is why the admins should send out a PM to those like you who are all butthurt and ask whether your maps will comply with the new ToS or not. If you don't want them to comply, they will be offline forever. If you comply, then you hand over all rights.
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15.03.2015 i
On the new ToS.
Skrivet av Goblin, 15.03.2015 at 17:51
Skrivet av Fockmeeard, 15.03.2015 at 17:25
That's like going to somebody's house, completely redoing their front lawn (mowing, planting, pulling weeds exc) and then knocking at the person's front door and demanding $1000 because you worked so hard to redo their front lawn even though that person never asked you to do it.
Thank you for this metaphore.
Don't know the english name for it, but its management without a warrant and the worker can remove his work ...repairs, plants ...MAPS!
Of course the owner can keep this increase of assets if he gives a proper compensation to the worker.
Do you condone slavery fock? ...nvm silly question from me. If admins never asked for this ...why do they want ownership over things they didn't ask for? ...nvm i withdraw that question too.
You know ...you guys if you are really this much against map makers best way to help the other side would be to keep your mouth shut and stop posting bullshit.
"Worker" You're a worker? Were you hired by atwar? Did you sign a contract? Were you promised rewards? No, you are not a worker. You are a volunteer. You worked knowing there will be no benefit. You worked knowing that there is no compensation as no compensation was mentioned when you brought atwar features to build a map.
You volunteered your time and gave atwar a map for people to play. People play and enjoy your map. But then you decide to remove the map. What happens? People get angry and start flooding chats. However, what if you never made the map in the first place? The people that would have enjoyed your map would have played another map and been just as happy.
So, by allowing you to make and take down the maps, you are getting control to start riots and have members PM mods/admins complaining about the missing map. Obviously that is annoying for the rest of atwar and nobody deserves to log onto atwar and see a bunch of low ranks say "WHERE IS THE MAP??" All of which would be avoided if you a.) never made the map in the first place or b.) never had the power to take it down.
So. you are left with two options:
Cut the ability to make maps
or
Force the maps to stay online forever.
Obviously the 2nd is the better option.
You mapmakers should be allowed to decide if you want your maps offline or online. You should not be forced to comply with the new rules. But you should be forced to decide whether your new maps will comply or not comply with the new rules. If your maps do not want to comply, then they are offline forver.
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15.03.2015 i
Rated team games
Skrivet av Dbacks, 15.03.2015 at 17:08
Skrivet av Covid19, 15.03.2015 at 05:04
Skrivet av Khal.eesi, 14.03.2015 at 19:02
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15.03.2015 i
On the new ToS.
Skrivet av Guest, 15.03.2015 at 13:19
You have shown me time-and-time again that your grasp of what goes into the conception of literally any project is minuscule. I know damn well that many cartographers spend days, weeks, perhaps even months working on their creations, never to see them have any limelight whatsoever do to low-quality RP and 13 year-old wet dream maps that inhabit the bulk of your average AtWar social-outcast's day. Saying this is imply "just a game" when so much effort goes into creating such things is an asinine statement, to say the very least. Perhaps you should get over yourself.
That's cute, but you've clearly misunderstood me. I know very well the extents of the time it takes to create a map.
But here's a little secret; The admins never asked ANY of you to devote hours and hours of your own time to these maps. You were never called upon to create maps. You made your own choice to spend your time and nothing was ever guaranteed or promised to you in return for your time.
You figure that when you devote hours of your own time into something, you should be rewarded just because you spent your own time into it. Sorry, but your time is not that valuable. Nobody's time is.
If I devote half my life writing a book, does that mean that I should be well praised and given awards just because I took half my life to write a good book? No.
Life does not work in the way that you want it to. Working hard does not mean success and devoting lots of time does not mean rewards.
This is where the phrase "Get over yourself" comes into play. You think your time is so damn valuable the admins should bend over backwards to please your ass just because you spent months of your own time (pretty sad if that's the way you spend your free time btw) doing something nobody ever asked you to do.
That's like going to somebody's house, completely redoing their front lawn (mowing, planting, pulling weeds exc) and then knocking at the person's front door and demanding $1000 because you worked so hard to redo their front lawn even though that person never asked you to do it.
Because you and ever other mapmaker thinks that the admins suddenly owe you something for doing something they never asked you to do, they had to update the ToS with something that should have already been implied; That the admins owe you nothing and you hold no rights to these maps.
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14.03.2015 i
On the new ToS.
Skrivet av Aetius, 14.03.2015 at 22:41
Skrivet av Fockmeeard, 14.03.2015 at 21:47
Skrivet av Aetius, 14.03.2015 at 21:03
Is this even legal? Changing terms of service without notification?
lol wtf. Legal? This is a private game on a private website. There is no public domain. You exist at the will of the admins.
Learn more about law before making idotic kneejerk reactions. Just because something is "private" does not mean they don't have to follow the law of whatever country this site is based in (Estonia I think? not sure)
AOL was sued for it, as a precedent.
UH-OH SOMEBODY GO ALERT ESTONIA GOVERNMENT, WE HAVE A RULE BREAKER!!!!
Seriously, it's a game. Get over yourself.
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14.03.2015 i
On the new ToS.
Skrivet av Aetius, 14.03.2015 at 21:03
Is this even legal? Changing terms of service without notification?
lol wtf. Legal? This is a private game on a private website. There is no public domain. You exist at the will of the admins.
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14.03.2015 i
[WARNING] AAP
So, for those who do not know yet, atwar is currently going through an atwar autism phase aka AAP.
This includes the following:
1.) No moves at all going through
2.) Many d/c
3.) Some moves do not go through even though others do.
4.) Lots and lots of lag
So, be aware of these possible bugs appearing in your games and proceed with caution when playing CWs and/or Duels.
Have fun and be safe.
This includes the following:
1.) No moves at all going through
2.) Many d/c
3.) Some moves do not go through even though others do.
4.) Lots and lots of lag
So, be aware of these possible bugs appearing in your games and proceed with caution when playing CWs and/or Duels.
Have fun and be safe.
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10.03.2015 i
Be able to quit duel 1st turn without loosing
As with all other feature suggestions that are controversial....
Make it a game option. People that want to use it may use it. Others than don't want to use it, don't use it.
Make it a game option. People that want to use it may use it. Others than don't want to use it, don't use it.
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07.03.2015 i
Strategies Discussion 2015.
Skrivet av Permamuted, 07.03.2015 at 15:02
Ukraine is not the problem, as ive just explained to zone, especially with new expansion innovations by lynchski with turk. Its now possible to cap hungary and austria turn 1 with all main lower balkan capitals with only 2 nts and an at.
*correction: Desu is the creator of that innovative Turk Expansion. Is like 6 months old already.
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26.02.2015 i
Ivan and Amok here - ask us anything II
Skrivet av Ivan, 26.02.2015 at 14:45
Skrivet av Croat, 26.02.2015 at 11:25
For Ivan or Amok,
Can you tell me how looks logo of rank 14 in this game?
I saw somewhere rank 15 is 3 stars, but have no idea about r14.
Rank 14 looks amazing. I highly doubt anybody will like the rank 15 though as just about everybody finds rank 10 ugly.
There have been a lot of suggestions since you guys started working on HTML5. Have you guys taken notice to these suggestions (both big and small) and are these suggestions going to be implemented in HTML5? Or is it going to be an exact copy of this game? (As far as mechanics, CW system, elo, exc go)
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26.02.2015 i
Ask a Mod
Why you ask for serious questions if you no answer seriously? :c
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23.02.2015 i
Host Certification :)
Skrivet av Tundy, 23.02.2015 at 17:02
Nice concept, but your introduction to it was utterly retarded and sounds childish.
Hi, nice rank 11.
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22.02.2015 i
Yu-Gi-Oh Tourny startup... sort of
Sorry for the delay. Work and school have kicked my ass this week so I haven't been able to get around to the things I want to do. Look for seedings early on this week.
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17.02.2015 i
Yu-Gi-Oh Tourny startup... sort of
If nobody wants to play matches I will just randomly seed everybody and first round byes will be given at random.
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17.02.2015 i
Difference between 1v1 and 3v3
I think the biggest difference is that in 1v1 it is hard to decide when to go offense, or when to keep expanding. In 3v3 the majority of countries are taken by 2-3. You cannot gain more territory without attacking another player. But in 1v1 there are so many places to expand to. You have to keep expanding to keep up with your unit count against your opponent, but when do you go on offense? That's why I prefer 3v3 to 1v1. In 3v3 you only worry about expanding for one turn and the rest of the game is based on teamwork, ability to predict opponents moves, and true offensive power.
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16.02.2015 i
AWTT - At War Tournament Tour (3v3)
Skrivet av BlackyM, 11.01.2015 at 12:59
Thats all taken into account, first few tournaments would not be perfect and with a lot of teams, but as time would go on, people would get more competitive and active
This is example of tournaments i led in the past http://www.freewebs.com/tenniselbowtour/tournamentinfo.htm (this page is inactive for 3.5 year now cause everything is moved on official forum)
Now, im not part of it anymore, but some other people are taking care of it now, including developer who at first few year had no part of it...but as number of people starting to play a game just because of tournaments, he decided to help and simplify it and took matters into his hands
These kind of tournaments can lead into new level of gameplay and features that game has, people only need to give it a go
See, for the most of us, it has nothing to do with how competitive we are. We all want to play competitive 3v3 (This is proven by the amount of CW played everyday) but we have real life issues. A lot of us work, the majority of us have school. To get the same 6 people on at the same time is just too difficult. Time zones play a major factor as well. I appreciate the effort and I'm all for having a tourny like this.
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14.02.2015 i
A solution to the Clan Wars System
Skrivet av ArminyMouse, 03.02.2015 at 05:24
Hm,how i read this,you want to kill new clans bcs they don't have good players to win 18:12.
That wiill do nothing good bcs only good clans will exist,all clans that don't have 10good players will be deleted,then bye 3v3 cw,mbe will be rp or ancient.
This cw system is good,bcs new clans have a chance to be in top5,just stop making this idiotic solutions for problem that doesn't exist.
GG NO RE.
Clearly you don't understand the current state of the competitive community. There is no such thing as a 'new clan with new players.' A group of ranks 3-5 don't just say "Hey lets make a clan and CW!" The majority of new competitive players were recruited by clans such as SM, Illyria, Syndicate, evoL (responsible for a LOT of the current competitive players I might add) and as these new players grow within the community, a group of them decide to detach from their current clans and form their own. These 'new clans' are created by players already experienced in 3v3. They are not complete noobs. Therefore, they do not deserve bonus cp just because they made a new clan even though they are already experienced. Every clan might as well just make a copy of their coalition at the start of the season at this rate.
You do not deserve to be in the top three. You never did. The problem here is new clans with experienced players (and while you recruited a bunch of noobs you still have a three player team of experienced players) like yourselves. Regardless of what you think, it is the entire competitive community vs you and Shadow Aces. You may recieve a trophy for this season. Maybe even next season. But the system WILL change and when it does, it will be highly unlikely that you ever hit the top five in a season again.
Your clan is 8:18 vs SM. Your hardly CW any other top tier clan. When the CW system switches over, we'll have to click the "Show more" button on the coalition index page for Band of Brothers to show up.
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14.02.2015 i
Yu-Gi-Oh Tourny startup... sort of
So sadly we need 16 players or else we need to include first round byes... To be fair as to who gets a bye, the tournament will start now. You can play anybody you want. However, you can only play that person 2 times. The top two people who have the most wins will recieve the bye.
Please note that each win MUST be the result of winning 2 out of 3 matches with your opponent. So, if you don't understand, this is how it works.
Play three matches. Best out of 3 will result in a win for a player.
If you both decide to, play another 3 matches. Best out of 3 results in a win for a player.
After this, you two cannot duel again until the brackets are set.
Also note that all other seedings will be placed at random unless you all want to fight for your seeds.
Eligible players:
Fockmeeard
Ars Moriendi
Exo-K
Chill
Laochra
Cassava
Dereny
Duel me
Palve
BertanK
Dexter
MOU
Chin chan
Andertes
Please note that each win MUST be the result of winning 2 out of 3 matches with your opponent. So, if you don't understand, this is how it works.
Play three matches. Best out of 3 will result in a win for a player.
If you both decide to, play another 3 matches. Best out of 3 results in a win for a player.
After this, you two cannot duel again until the brackets are set.
Also note that all other seedings will be placed at random unless you all want to fight for your seeds.
Eligible players:
Fockmeeard
Ars Moriendi
Exo-K
Chill
Laochra
Cassava
Dereny
Duel me
Palve
BertanK
Dexter
MOU
Chin chan
Andertes
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14.02.2015 i
Yu-Gi-Oh Tourny
Sorry about that guys. Work's been keeping me busy. We'll have to work with a 14 player bracket because Dbacks is dropping out and I believe khal is out also as he told me he didn't learn the game. Brackets will be up soon.
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09.02.2015 i
First few games you have ever played?
These aren't my first games on atwar though. I had another account but lost the password. Was only like rank 2 though. :p
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